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hey everyone how's it going welcome back

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to the disclosure team channel thank you

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everyone for being here there's already

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quite a lot of people um it's good to

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see everyone

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as always anybody has any questions

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throughout this discussion please try

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and pop them in capital letters it gives

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me a better chance of seeing them um and

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i'll try my best to get to all of them

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as well

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um i really really look forward every

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time i do a panel discussion because

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it's good to get a group of people

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together and bounce ideas thoughts

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theories hypotheses off each other and

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that's probably what a lot of this is

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going to be you know no one really knows

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you know the facts when it comes to this

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subject so everyone's got different

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viewpoints different ideas and so i'm

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looking forward to hearing a lot of

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those and everyone in the chat just keep

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it cool calm collected i appreciate

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everybody is different so

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just be cordial with each other and

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that's all i ask so yeah let's get into

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it let's bring everyone in uh first up i

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want to welcome my good friend james ian

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doley james how's it going

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hey vinnie thanks for having me it's

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great to be here

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no it's good man we've been planning

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this for a little while so i'm really

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glad that it's actually come together

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and we all get a chance to speak so

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thank you man

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yeah sure

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next up

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uh another returning guest to the

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channel uh please welcome mr danny silva

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danny how's it going what's up vinny

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thank you for doing this today what's up

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james and ryan

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everybody jay

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ah good appreciate you being here man um

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moving on to uh my next guest who is a

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uh to this channel but somebody who i've

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followed for a long time and really

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appreciate his viewpoints um and how he

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uh acts on twitter i think he's a great

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voice for this community so it's my

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pleasure to welcome

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ryan robbins ryan how are you

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i'm good you made me feel really

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important with that introduction and

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it's uh it's really good to be with you

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all i think i'm going to enjoy this

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it's my pleasure man i really appreciate

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it and then last but certainly not least

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is a really good friend of mine that's

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someone who have the utmost respect for

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always always enjoy speaking with him

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please put your hands together for j

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christopher king hey thanks jay how are

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wow that was that was regal i appreciate

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it thanks vinnie uh good night it's my

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always great to see you uh james uh

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great to see danny and ryan as well this

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is fantastic thanks for inviting me on

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today love it nah it's great thank you

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to all of you i really looking forward

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to this i think panel discussions are

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really healthy in this

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this day and age as well and i thought

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the best way to kick off is just to kind

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of find out where all your heads are at

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with the subject at the moment things

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that you're focusing on at the moment

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different avenues you know so

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anything really so james let's start

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yeah i'm actually i'm working on a

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working on something with jay actually

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uh that that's going to become uh you

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or so it's going to be i think actually

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so and and you know everybody knows the

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stuff that i'm doing with you know a lot

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of times contact and stuff but i also

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have uh some interviews lined up which

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are really going to be um i think deep

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conversations and good ones

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uh i'm always trying to focus on the

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phenomenon to some degree rather than

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just the disclosure part because i feel

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vinnie uh you and and and and danny

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and uh you know ryan are like really

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hitting hard on the disclosure end of

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things if i can say it like that

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um you know so i feel comfortable that

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you guys are doing that and i can kind

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of like go off into the deep end of the

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the contact stuff a lot

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now that's awesome man i think that's

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good it's good that everybody looks at

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it from a different angle you know we

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uh what about you danny where's your

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i'm in uh i'm in wait and see mode i

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know that there's um

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huge steps that have been taken in the

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last four or five years

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like we've all been able gotten a chance

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to talk to lou of course and he's the

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man he's doing it and you know um

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the legends jeremy corbell but uh at the

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same time we know there's a lot of crazy

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failures and uh pushback and

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lies being told um with uh with the

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government and um some of these new

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programs and so i'm waiting to see what

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i'm also in show me mode

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uap task force stuff

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that occurred i would like to for them

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to show us rather than where we just get

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to hear about it and have to kind of

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point now where they need to show us

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organization is going to be showing us

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nah that's cool that makes sense

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jay what about yourself

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uh i didn't i wasn't aware that james

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was gonna tease our big secret project

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uh but but uh i'll take it yeah we uh

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we've been working on something that's

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pretty epic we've also been eating food

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some fun things on the horizon this fall

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and i look forward to talking more about

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that in the upcoming weeks other than

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that um the experiencer group is doing

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uh witness citizen is going really well

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i saw sean earlier in the chat um those

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conversations have been great

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we had randall nickerson who you've had

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on your show as well vinnie indeed great

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guy really great man

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you know uh the experience group had we

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what seemed to be like a really

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unconventional hack that didn't actually

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site it didn't affect the members

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level that happens every once in a while

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something like that in this community

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weeks and it was the first time that it

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um but you know i don't know i don't

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like the experiencer group that i take

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that a little bit personally um so

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application process for a while and and

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while we figured out what was going on

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luckily like our private social media

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interface was was fine and unaffected

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um and the whole thing got cleared up

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it took a lot of time and i'm kind of

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more of a jack-of-all-trades person than

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you know i'm no web expert by any means

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bringing people in to talk to me about

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it was like it was like listening to

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somebody talk about chinese stereo

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instructions you know what i mean but uh

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did it nonetheless

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and uh and that all worked out other

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than that um dealing with a lot of

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mental health professionals lately in

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private meetings with regard to

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experiencers and people's cases and

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people's personal histories and things

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like that and so i've been talking to

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psychiatrists psychologists a lot of

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and there's kind of a lot of movement

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in the realm of mental health

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professionals that are looking to

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first of all experiencers that are also

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long-time mental health professionals of

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which there are many

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um in our community and kind of like

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adjacent to our community

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and a lot of those people are trying to

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figure out how to kind of integrate

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anomalous experiences that previously

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dreaded c word crazy or something like

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that right um people

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you know people have been locked up for

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this and things like that you know

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pathologized and so

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being able to kind of create more

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dialogue in that space and being able to

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help elicit that dialogue is super

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important to me these days so that's

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another kind of

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uh pet project that i've been spending a

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lot of time with

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that's great i really appreciate that

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yeah we'll get to talk about experiences

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and stuff in a little while uh so ryan

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how's things been with you like what

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you've been focusing on at the moment

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yeah so over this past month i've been

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having a lot of sleep issues which have

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only exacerbated my concentration issues

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so i really haven't been very productive

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i got like one video in last month so

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that's that's the way it is hopefully

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august will be better but what i have

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planned for august is

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a good friend of mine i'll give him a

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shout out his name is finn hanley he's

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from the united kingdom

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he started he started doing something

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really interesting he's he's finding uh

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people who have had unambiguous and i

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need to i need to emphasize that

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unambiguous sightings

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and he's starting to do cg reenactments

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using software

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and i saw the most recent uh cg

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reenactment he did it was extremely

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impressive

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and it was uh it was a german a

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gentleman

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and the sighting took place in germany

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they were at a pool

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and

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from a far distance they saw

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what looked like like

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three stars close together giving like

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uh the perception of a triangle if you

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will

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and then they saw it just

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come right up to them

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stone throw above them

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uh i don't i'm thinking it was there for

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like maybe 30 seconds but then there

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might be a missing time element to it

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and then it like almost did like a

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performance for them it like it went

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like this real fast and then it shot

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right back up into the atmosphere like

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like that

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and so i'm going to interview the the

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gentleman who witnessed that that uap

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and i'm talking i'm giving i'm talking

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about finn because maybe because i

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haven't been doing so much work lately

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but i really like what he's doing but i

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like what he's demonstrating too because

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now he is going to start doing these

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reenactments for people who've had

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unambiguous sightings

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and it's it's really important

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because it demonstrates in a very

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tangible way that when we talk about uap

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sightings

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uap encounters uap experiences we're not

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just talking about renders and forests

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we're not just talking about roswell

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we're not just talking about the phoenix

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lights and what i think happens

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is a lot of people who maybe are first

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getting into the subject or just don't

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reflect on it enough

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the mind starts to gravitate toward well

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you know these sightings happen once in

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a bloom like really really rarely and

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when they do you'll read about in a book

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but like that's that's actually a

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deception that's a deceptive way to look

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at the phenomena ever probably every

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single day on this planet there are

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people having unambiguous sightings not

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not seeing a little light in in the

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distance but like

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objects coming right up to their face

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and so what what finn is doing by

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creating these reenactments is he's

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reminding people that it's not just

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about the the sightings you read in

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books it's not just about the sightings

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or or the contact experiences you see in

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documentaries this stuff is happening to

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people intimately

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on a daily basis and like lots and lots

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of people and we lose sight of how

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important those individual sightings are

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because we get locked into

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this book and that book and this

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specific uh sighting and this military

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sighting but in reality it's happening

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all the time so so i guess i would say

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that the next thing on my plate right

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now i guess is interviewing that guy

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it'll probably be a really short

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interview because you know it wasn't

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that involved but it's still important

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and i will show the reenactment as well

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the reenactment has been published and

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that's i guess that's where i'm kind of

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hanging out right now that's all i got

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to say

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oh that's awesome man i'm actually i

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watched that video that he did the

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recreation and it was amazing i think

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it's really helpful to show these you

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know sightings from from members of the

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public and individuals when they're that

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profound and impactful

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uh so yeah you know i'm looking forward

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to your interview and to see more of

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finn's work because you know that's a

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really good thing and i think the focus

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does need to come away sometimes from

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these big major cases that we all know

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and love and we continue to talk about

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continue to try and research but it

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would be good to sort of focus on the i

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say smaller people but i don't mean that

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in a negative way

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but do you think there's a lack of

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reporting systems for the individuals we

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all know mufon and their rocky road over

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the

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over time

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but do you think it is an issue where do

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people go when they see something like

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that you know anyone have any thoughts

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on on that as a general

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well i'll just say that i think the

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stigma is is really what has has been

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such a antagonistic to people uh

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reporting it because

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you know we've gone through 70 years of

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our institutions our scientific

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institutions journalistic our academic

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academic institutions poo-pooing the

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subject so who in their right mind when

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they have when they have an unambiguous

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experience that you know they're not

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necessarily you know motivated to to

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talk about it openly and so i think what

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happens is i think a lot of these

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sightings just

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they don't really get reported properly

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they don't they don't get reported

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properly by the individuals and then

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they don't get documented properly by by

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journalists or other outfits that

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probably uh should do so i mean when you

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know we have mufon and so forth but i

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don't think those structures can

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overcome the inherent stigma

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and and and laugh uh you know the

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laughing factor and and people feeling

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like their reputation might be

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compromised because they talk about this

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which is why i feel like disclosure is

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so

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uh it's such it's such a necessary

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demand

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for our civilization because what we're

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basically doing

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is is we're we're pretending something

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doesn't exist when when it clearly does

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exist and it's just it's psychotic at

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the end of the day that's all i gotta

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say about that

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i don't know what you know reporting is

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cool and i see a lot of people

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commenting well you should tell mufon

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okay so then they go to mufan and

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even if nufon investigated i mean what

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happens after that nothing really

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so i mean what does reporting actually

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do and i think a lot of the um people

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that have experiences that get

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frustrated they feel like

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they should be getting more attention i

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get a lot of emails and dms and stuff

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like that and

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they want more attention people writing

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about it people talking to them and i

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totally understand them

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but um at the end of the day it's just

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it's a cool story or interesting story

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and um we can't you know the skeptics

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are going to say

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you know where's the data and all this

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and that so

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we could say we want them to report it

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and that's cool but i just don't know um

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you know at the end of the day what

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exactly that does other than kind of uh

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maybe have some people that are already

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interested in ufos thinking about it but

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um hopefully that'll change one day and

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they'll be

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um you know something more that can be

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done

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it feels like we're kind of hitting the

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wall

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in a way and maybe finn making these

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videos will be

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cool and maybe be some um

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make them feel better people that are

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having these experiences they get to see

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them kind of recreated make them feel a

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little bit better but uh i don't know i

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mean what does reporting do what do you

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guys think

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yeah well i mean what i was gonna say

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was um yeah i think it's important what

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what obviously what jay is doing with

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the experiencer group because when

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people have an experience like that you

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know uh you know first of all it's

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highly personal right

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um so even with the stigma gone to share

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something it like that

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some of these experiences are very

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intimate right um and you yourself are

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questioning and and move on and you know

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i can't speak for a mufon across the

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board but i know they can be very

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marginalizing at times um if you just

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want to have an example or something

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look at what happened with christopher

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bledsoe when he went to mufon right

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um and i've heard dozens of accounts

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like that um where you know

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some of the data goes missing videos

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disappear

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and things like that

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you know but i do think the reporting on

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such events is important

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um especially if there was like some

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kind of data collection uh process with

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the artificial intelligence to try to

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kind of put things into a database so i

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appreciate the value in that

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but i think first and foremost people

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need a place to go you know like the

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experience or group

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or you know on my end

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you know i've been working with um you

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know people that do

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contact and contact work you know

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ce5 and heist

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and a lot of people that come to the ce5

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worker or you know human initiated

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contact

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um you know for people who feel safe

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about that

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is um you know are people who've had

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experiences and and they they want to

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take it a step further right

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um so i think there's a lot of different

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levels to that and

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you know it's um i think first and

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foremost those people need a place to go

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uh you know where they can you know talk

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to somebody not just for for the sake of

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like collecting data but for their own

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kind of like personal you know what the

561
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,320
hell

562
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,320
is going on and where am i and and what

563
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,240
is reality because that's kind of like

564
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:52,960
the epiphany that people have right so

565
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,400
um

566
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:55,919
you know the mental health side of

567
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:58,160
things i think is extremely important

568
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:00,799
uh and and again for to have that that

569
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:03,440
sense of kind of community because uh

570
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:06,320
like what um ryan was saying

571
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,320
uh you know this is this is way more

572
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,480
common than than sometimes we even

573
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,880
realize in the ufo community like people

574
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,640
are having encounters and experiences

575
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,760
every day

576
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,080
and you know even if somebody has

577
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:20,080
you know something that's not like a

578
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,360
crazy experience right um they have

579
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:25,520
what you know somebody would assume is

580
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,919
is kind of like an innocent or moderate

581
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,120
experience

582
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,120
uh but to that individual you have no

583
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,679
idea how that has affected them um i

584
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,000
mean i could see a light in the sky and

585
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,000
and think one thing but if i get some

586
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,039
kind of download or precognition or

587
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,120
telepathic communication

588
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,640
you know that's going to kind of like

589
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,640
change the way that i see everything so

590
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,559
it's not just like in kind of innocent

591
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,720
like sighting right there's a whole

592
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,520
kind of process and impact to that

593
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,080
and sometimes again it could be you have

594
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:58,320
an encounter or sighting like that

595
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,360
and then

596
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,600
you know in within the next week you

597
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,280
know the rest of the experience that you

598
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,799
didn't realize was there just unfolds

599
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,640
and hits you like a ton of bricks

600
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:08,720
um so

601
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,760
again i i think really uh having a place

602
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,080
where people can go to kind of

603
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,760
discuss those experiences have a sense

604
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,760
of community and feel safe first and

605
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,280
then you can get to the the data

606
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,799
collection side yeah i think that's

607
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,200
important

608
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,120
thanks james i appreciate that i really

609
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,480
appreciate that i appreciate what

610
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:28,080
everybody's been saying here you know i

611
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,039
think

612
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,200
mufon's tricky i mean for all the

613
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:33,200
reasons that people have mentioned and

614
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:34,480
you know there's other people that have

615
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,679
said you know

616
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,520
they filter out

617
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,520
situations like orbs

618
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:41,679
like why would you do that they filter

619
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:42,480
out

620
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:46,159
cases

621
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:47,520
that involve

622
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,960
you know telepathic contacts voices they

623
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:53,120
they filter out so much

624
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:54,159
of what

625
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:55,280
makes

626
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,320
intimate

627
00:21:02,789 --> 00:20:58,240
contact or or

628
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,190
that it makes me wonder like why they're

629
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,880
even collecting it in the first place

630
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,919
sometimes

631
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,000
i don't i and this isn't meant you know

632
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,480
it's certainly not everybody in mufon i

633
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:14,799
know good people that have worked in

634
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,000
that operation but just as

635
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,799
a bureaucratic or strategic effort in

636
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,480
terms of collection

637
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,280
if you're filtering out

638
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,840
uh it's stuff as simple as orbs like i

639
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,960
don't know

640
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,760
you know are you more just wanting to

641
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:34,320
make a flagging device for

642
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,280
for for um military craft it's for

643
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,960
secret military craft is that what

644
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,720
you're doing because if you're filtering

645
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,200
out all the rest of this stuff

646
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,720
then you're going to be filtering out

647
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:45,840
like

648
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,880
you know so much of what actually goes

649
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,280
down in situations like this with with

650
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,159
the phenomenon and high strangeness and

651
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,200
other species you know if they just want

652
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,919
you know if they just want a list of of

653
00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:02,400
encounters with experimental aircraft

654
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,390
that's one thing but you know anyway

655
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,520
[Music]

656
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,400
that's helpful out here in texas um and

657
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:12,320
i'm over here knocking mufon but let me

658
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,120
uh

659
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,960
take a step back on that is the local

660
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,640
groups and i guess that kind of comes

661
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,880
into what jay's doing you know when

662
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,240
because i've been to local mufon

663
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,799
meetings and it's just people in a room

664
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,240
talking about their experiences and

665
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,919
having human connection and that's what

666
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,440
james was saying too and i think that's

667
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,120
very powerful and helpful

668
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,360
you know i kind of question

669
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:32,960
uh and i think these databases were

670
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,039
awesome when maybe like bigelow was

671
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,039
getting a chance to look over the things

672
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,480
but yeah i thought there's the other

673
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,000
side of it when i'm getting emails about

674
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,919
a story or even a video and it's just

675
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,360
like i can't really do anything with

676
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,039
this they're sending it to mufon i'm

677
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,720
like or i'll say you have you sent it to

678
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,320
mufon they say yeah i've sent it i said

679
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:50,159
it in a year ago i said it six months

680
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,280
ago it's a dead end it didn't do

681
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,000
anything for me but yeah the group uh

682
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,679
the group aspect or the face-to-face

683
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,760
aspect where people get to talk to each

684
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,760
other of course that's really extremely

685
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,840
important and fun and it's cool to see

686
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,880
other people that are interested in the

687
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,720
same thing as you not just on the

688
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,679
internet

689
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,600
um and that's kind of cool for the local

690
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,919
mufon groups but yeah i don't know it's

691
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,600
hard you know we can't

692
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:14,480
uh bring this uh some people think that

693
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,760
after they've had an experience it

694
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,240
should be like disclosure for the world

695
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,080
and um it just doesn't work that way

696
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,000
others haven't seen what you've seen and

697
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,240
but we're all trying our best and um and

698
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,320
i think the the group uh

699
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,640
the group almost therapy aspect of it

700
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,320
will always be very important for people

701
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,080
because i've seen people that were super

702
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,880
scared and we all have you know and

703
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,400
people that have had life-changing

704
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,480
experiences like james was talking about

705
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,480
so it's great i had a uh i went to a

706
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,120
luffa meeting and the guy came with uh

707
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:45,120
x-rays of some chip that was in his neck

708
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:46,320
and he was passing around showing them

709
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,360
to people

710
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,919
so it's uh it's wild stuff and um i

711
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,279
can't discount it

712
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,440
um but yeah at the on the other side

713
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,720
when you're just sending something in

714
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,440
and emailing it and expecting

715
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,200
tons of people to contact you and follow

716
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,440
up with it uh that may necessarily not

717
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,679
happen unfortunately

718
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,960
yeah that's really interesting i think

719
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,480
something i notice is that a lot of

720
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,080
people that

721
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,159
jump onto social media to talk about it

722
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,600
obviously there's a

723
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,360
we know the problems with social media

724
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,679
and the bashings that people can get

725
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,039
you know i think a lot of frustration

726
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,799
comes in with that like

727
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,120
people may only have their word and

728
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,320
their story

729
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,760
and to a lot of people they just want

730
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,120
data they want evidence they want

731
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,200
photographs and videos

732
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,799
and they they kind of ask for that

733
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,640
before even taking into consideration

734
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,880
the person and their feelings and

735
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,159
you know how they're dealing with this

736
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,000
so i think that something does need to

737
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,640
be done but i suppose there's no

738
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,400
magic answer to that that's just going

739
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,919
to happen overnight so you know some

740
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,159
really good points really good points

741
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:45,120
um

742
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,960
everyone was feeling with regards to the

743
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,480
current state of play in the government

744
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,400
and the congress with the announcement

745
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,440
of arrow or however it's pronounced and

746
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:58,240
then we've still got this um

747
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,000
language moving forward in the iaa ndaa

748
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,400
that will set up this other office which

749
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,279
is the i can't remember all the acronyms

750
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,720
where is it

751
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,960
the unidentified aerospace undersea

752
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,360
phenomena joint program office you know

753
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,120
it seems almost to me a bit of a repeat

754
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:17,039
of last year we had the announcement of

755
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,480
the gillibrand amendment looking to

756
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,799
create a new office and then

757
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,120
aoi msg flew in out of nowhere it just

758
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,520
seems like a repeating pattern

759
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,960
but what does everyone else think about

760
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,720
that how are we moving forward with this

761
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,720
or is it just same thing year in year

762
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,039
out at the moment

763
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,360
um yeah i mean i'd say

764
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,880
oh go ahead danny

765
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,720
oh i i was speaking on this earlier

766
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,919
already i think there's definitely

767
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,760
movement there's a amazing great

768
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,320
movement and the it's like we always get

769
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,919
excited all of us do we get excited when

770
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:47,360
we see these terms

771
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,000
in the government um wording and it's

772
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,840
amazing and i love it and i get really

773
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,880
excited

774
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,559
um and then at the same time a part of

775
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,440
me is

776
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,200
uh

777
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,600
skeptical because we're wondering you

778
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,640
know we're seeing words um coming around

779
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:05,200
uh you know where they're failing and

780
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,000
they're up against the

781
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,159
military-industrial complex and then we

782
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,159
talk to other people and they're saying

783
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,159
no everything is amazing what's going on

784
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,159
right now congress is getting shown

785
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,640
where the secret programs are um you

786
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,760
know

787
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,320
and so i have like two sides of me

788
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,400
on each shoulder right now and i'm just

789
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,320
i'm just kind of waiting to see um i

790
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,760
know that there's been more progress

791
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,240
than ever the wording is amazing i also

792
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,919
know that some of this stuff is kind of

793
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:32,080
a mess and we can't take people's word

794
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,960
for it

795
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,799
um and just trust

796
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,039
uh what's going on so i definitely see

797
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,720
both sides of it me and james have

798
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,240
talked about this uh privately a few

799
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:41,840
times so i'm interested in hearing what

800
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,640
james says as well

801
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,240
uh yeah i was going to say i mean you

802
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,919
can see that the language is more

803
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,360
refined right

804
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,960
so i think

805
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,480
probably kind of to what danny was

806
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:54,799
saying you know they they thought they

807
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,520
had

808
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,400
everything done but they they kind of

809
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,880
did their attempt and then they saw what

810
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,360
what the the hurdles were after that

811
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,520
when you know when the resistance pushed

812
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:07,039
back and they're like okay we have to be

813
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,480
more specific

814
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,559
and again now they have the the len you

815
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:11,679
know they're putting in language for

816
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,799
immunity

817
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,240
um

818
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,400
so i i think there

819
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,480
there is incredible progress

820
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,000
um

821
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,950
i mean on so many different levels you

822
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,440
know you have uh you know dr gary nolan

823
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,600
is is doing these papers

824
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,039
and

825
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,880
super clever guy he's he's already

826
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,480
setting the stage for what's to come

827
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,320
afterwards so you know

828
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,279
and and and giving a kind of a way to

829
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,360
show people how you can

830
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,120
contribute to this field with peer

831
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,960
review right so he's he's already

832
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,559
setting all that up

833
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:48,240
and

834
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,200
you know

835
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,760
on an academic level i i've heard that

836
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,520
there's there's way more interest than

837
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,440
ever and everybody is like scrambling i

838
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,200
i have academics

839
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,080
dming me saying hey how can i get

840
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,799
involved in this who should i talk to

841
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,880
and you know i want to be able to to

842
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,559
contribute to the field with my

843
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,039
specialties you know what i mean so

844
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,840
um there's that too but as far as the

845
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,679
government end

846
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,480
you know i've heard that

847
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,399
you know there's already

848
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,159
organizing going on behind the scenes

849
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,399
that there's there's money that's that's

850
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,320
supposed to be available

851
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,720
i'm very optimistic i i think of course

852
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,080
there's still going to be roadblocks

853
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,440
right and and that's where they're gonna

854
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,600
have to do like a trial and error

855
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,840
in how they they move forward

856
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,200
but

857
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,159
you know i you know and i i spoke to jim

858
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,840
semivan on my channel and people saw

859
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,080
that and i asked him some questions

860
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,360
regarding some of this because obviously

861
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:46,640
you know some of the things that are

862
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,320
going on involve the legacy programs

863
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,720
and you know even if if people within

864
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,799
those programs want to help they can't

865
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,039
just make that decision on their own

866
00:29:04,549 --> 00:28:59,200
so you kind of need cooperation on both

867
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,470
jay oh ryan anything how do you feel

868
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,159
about it i'll just jump in i i

869
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,320
definitely think there's been progress i

870
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:12,159
think progress can manifest in multiple

871
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,279
ways

872
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,960
there's progress when you when you see

873
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:17,120
that the congress have not let up they

874
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,399
have they have maintained the course

875
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,799
they have not given up they have not

876
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,200
their interest in pursuing this this

877
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,440
issue has not diminished it's it's

878
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,200
maintained itself it's gotten stronger

879
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,360
you have to ask yourself why is that uh

880
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,440
you know you have uh two presidential

881
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,360
hopefuls that are that are very

882
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,559
important in what's going on marco rubio

883
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,559
and gillibrand

884
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,399
they're gonna run again and and i mean

885
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,919
do they do you do any of us really think

886
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,760
that they would want to come out looking

887
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,840
like kooks by pursuing uap with with

888
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,919
this level of uh gusto if there's not

889
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,399
something there uh there's there's a

890
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,080
hell of a lot of smoke you know the

891
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,600
skeptics will tell you that it's a mind

892
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,880
virus

893
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,799
they'll tell you that it's just a a

894
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,919
couple

895
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,000
over enthusiastic ufo fans in the

896
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:01,760
government that have somehow

897
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,760
managed to influence uh our congress and

898
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,679
national security

899
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,520
personnel to talk about this as if it's

900
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,279
a real issue i don't really understand

901
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:13,039
their logic but that's some of them seem

902
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:13,760
to

903
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,120
uh feel strongly about that narrative

904
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:19,120
as james was saying there has been a

905
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,720
refinement to the language and the way i

906
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,399
would look at it is this the sword has

907
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,799
been sharpened further they know what

908
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:26,320
kind of opposition they're going up

909
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,360
against

910
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,440
uh like for example

911
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,279
the language has has

912
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,720
progressed to the point where they're

913
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,080
talking about you know they're not

914
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,880
interested in pursuing objects if they

915
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,799
know they're man-made so anyone who

916
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:40,000
wants to say well this is just all about

917
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,600
drones everybody right just chinese

918
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,840
drones and russian drones well no

919
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,840
this new office doesn't give a

920
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,159
you-know-what about chinese drones or

921
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,000
russian drones the second that it's

922
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:51,760
ascertained that what they're looking at

923
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,799
is drones guess what that content

924
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,880
that material that they've attained goes

925
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,200
to somewhere else okay so it's pretty

926
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,679
obvious what congress is uh you know

927
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,480
suspicious of at this point and i think

928
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,159
some of the new languages is is the

929
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,399
result of people on the inside

930
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,399
whispering into members of congress ears

931
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,320
right do i think that this would

932
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,000
progress to this point

933
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,440
if there wasn't something really

934
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,080
foundational and substantive underneath

935
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,080
it all no i really don't think so i

936
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,919
don't buy into the mind virus or the

937
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,919
gullible analysis narrative that some of

938
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,919
the skeptics do and and the longer this

939
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:27,760
goes on the more that narrative looks

940
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,200
ridiculous and and biased my opinion

941
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,519
uh yeah you you also you have the

942
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,679
immunity uh you have the whistleblower

943
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,159
protection you have the

944
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,640
trying to take away the cap for

945
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,559
employees of like legacy programs so

946
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,000
that they can sue

947
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,600
uh their employers for as much as they

948
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:48,480
want if if they're threatened or or

949
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,519
if they're

950
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:50,720
uh

951
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,600
have the the the protections to to take

952
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,480
away the ndas you have you have them

953
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,799
looking into like the historical record

954
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,640
what have they known what what's what

955
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,159
you know they what they they're looking

956
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,559
at the whole thing and you know yeah on

957
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,840
the one hand you you do have to be

958
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,519
careful you you don't want to be too

959
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,159
optimistic but on the other hand i just

960
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,919
i think i personally think this is all

961
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,200
unraveling

962
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:18,000
uh i i don't think that the secrecy can

963
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,519
maintain itself much longer with this

964
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,039
kind of pressure

965
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,960
um i don't think the the secret keepers

966
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,320
if you want to call that call them that

967
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,600
i don't think they're magicians i don't

968
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,960
think they're sorcerers i think when

969
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,200
enough pressure builds over time

970
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,039
it's going to crack because it has to

971
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,120
and that's just physics if you will

972
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,159
and so so i think that this only goes in

973
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:37,519
one direction

974
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,799
and i also think that it's it's going to

975
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,720
increase the momentum is going to

976
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,919
increase we're not going to hit us we're

977
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,200
not it's not going to we're not going to

978
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,679
hit a stalemate it's not going to slow

979
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,120
down i think the momentum is going to

980
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,960
increase and eventually what what's

981
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,760
going to maybe be one of the huge cracks

982
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,720
in all this is we're going to learn

983
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,480
about legacy programs and we're going to

984
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,320
learn that hundreds of millions billions

985
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,440
of dollars have been going into these

986
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,760
legacy programs over decades and it's

987
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,200
just going to be like the next phase

988
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,039
right we first we learned about atip

989
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,919
then we learned about asap right those

990
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,360
two programs

991
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,039
but it's like i mean

992
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,799
even the congress i think it was mike

993
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:15,200
gallagher and i'm sure he's speaking for

994
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,480
a lot of the other members of congress

995
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,840
he's like look

996
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:20,159
there is no way in the universe that

997
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,960
from

998
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,120
the close of project blue book to the

999
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,519
implementation of of awesome a tip there

1000
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,279
were no other programs nobody believes

1001
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,720
that nobody believes that because it's

1002
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,600
because it's preposterous right so just

1003
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,760
basic common sense tells you there are

1004
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,279
other programs and i'm gonna tell you

1005
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,360
right now my opinion is the congress is

1006
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,960
going to pursue

1007
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,880
uh getting to the bottom of what those

1008
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,120
programs were what they learned

1009
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:45,279
until it happens because and reinventing

1010
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,799
the wheel is a disgusting um disrespect

1011
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,880
to american taxpayer dollars the last

1012
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,080
thing we want to do is reinvent the

1013
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,919
wheel uh no one in congress wants to

1014
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,679
reinvent the wheel and i'm sure there's

1015
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,600
patriots within our own government who

1016
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,360
are who are intimately connected with

1017
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,600
this topic or like no we are not we are

1018
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,799
not reinventing the wheel because let's

1019
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,640
not forget there are people who want the

1020
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,720
secrecy to be maintained but there are

1021
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,480
also people who have connections that

1022
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,320
don't want the secrecy to maintain it is

1023
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,079
not a monolithic thing this is like a

1024
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,240
war and there's people like elizondo

1025
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,399
that are that are up in government and

1026
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,399
are and are employed right now by the

1027
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,240
government elizando's book's going to be

1028
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,159
coming out elizano is not going to sit

1029
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,560
on his laurels um chris mellon is not

1030
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,919
going to sit on his laurels the pressure

1031
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,520
is going to continue

1032
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,599
and um you know what let's uh let's see

1033
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,040
what happens in a year let's see what

1034
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,240
happens in two years let's see what

1035
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,320
happens in three years i do not buy that

1036
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,079
this is just this is going to fizzle out

1037
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,919
no it's not going to fizzle out because

1038
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,599
that's you know ever every every secret

1039
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,919
has an expiration date and that milk is

1040
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,839
getting real stinky and it's like we're

1041
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,760
already past the expiration date so the

1042
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,200
inevitable is the the inevitable and

1043
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,599
that's all i got to say about that

1044
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,280
amazing jay

1045
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,200
well it's really it's always going to be

1046
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,520
hard to follow up ufo jesus but i'll try

1047
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,480
my best

1048
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,440
um

1049
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:58,800
you know i i

1050
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,240
i i agree with the sentiment and i'm

1051
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,320
very optimistic um

1052
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,560
i'm not necessarily optimistic about

1053
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,000
arrow itself

1054
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,480
i'm at i'm more optimistic about the

1055
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,320
language about funding

1056
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:14,079
um going from

1057
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:18,480
ndaa and iaa going into next year um i

1058
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:21,920
do think that the office needs to be

1059
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,520
outside of the clutches of ousdi

1060
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,599
where it's been since you know lou got

1061
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,040
fed up and quit

1062
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,720
um i don't

1063
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,280
i don't think susan should be sending us

1064
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,440
the email updates on the aero twitter

1065
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,640
you know what i mean like i don't think

1066
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,160
that that should be happening

1067
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,839
um i

1068
00:36:05,109 --> 00:35:40,880
i

1069
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,119
you know as

1070
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,839
researchers as experiencers as

1071
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,320
enthusiasts as

1072
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,280
whoever is in this community right we we

1073
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,880
tend to

1074
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:16,480
look

1075
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,280
at for validation from authority figures

1076
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,960
sometimes and

1077
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,480
and it gets into a really tricky

1078
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,720
scenario because like as much

1079
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,560
as i want that so much when we're

1080
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,240
talking about the military industrial

1081
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,119
complex in congress it's and thinking

1082
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,320
that like

1083
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,599
you know

1084
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,240
we hope for the best and we also have to

1085
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,200
anticipate not necessarily the worst but

1086
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,560
we're basically talking about a

1087
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,560
situation where it's like megatron and

1088
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,880
cobra commander are like trying to come

1089
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,640
to like some kind of

1090
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,280
an understanding and we're gonna expect

1091
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,800
something good to come out of that you

1092
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,920
know what i mean

1093
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,800
and uh and like i don't you know

1094
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,280
it's it would be

1095
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,040
i was joking about this the other day

1096
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,960
and i think that we're one of the only

1097
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,400
communities

1098
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,320
in all of the united states right now

1099
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,599
where we could think that something

1100
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,960
great's going to come out of congress

1101
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,240
these days like what other community has

1102
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,640
deluded themselves into thinking that

1103
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:14,480
you know with inflation the way that it

1104
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:15,440
is

1105
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,839
out of these [\h__\h] these days i stay

1106
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,119
relatively

1107
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,520
you know free of politics in terms of

1108
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,839
what i talk about you know partially due

1109
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,200
to the experiencer group partially

1110
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,200
because like i just don't want it

1111
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,280
clouding people's

1112
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:37,280
people being able to hear me about other

1113
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,320
topics

1114
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,640
but there's a reason why i avoid you

1115
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,599
know

1116
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,280
sometimes

1117
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,119
that and it's because like i don't

1118
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,800
believe in those people i don't believe

1119
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,800
in those people and i don't know why

1120
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,040
anybody does do you know what i mean you

1121
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,119
know it's like it's like it's saying

1122
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,200
like is dad gonna show up and be there

1123
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,280
for christmas this year and then

1124
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,359
allowing yourself to be deflated every

1125
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,359
time you know what i mean that kind of

1126
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,520
situation like is there gonna be coal in

1127
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,920
my stocking and there's been coal in the

1128
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,079
stocking for over 70 years now like i

1129
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,440
try to retain that little bit and like i

1130
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,839
keep pushing and pushing but

1131
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,359
you know there's also the element where

1132
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,119
that pushing can feel like sisyphus

1133
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,359
going up the hill right

1134
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,720
so you know it's always going to be also

1135
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,480
about like the kind of grassroots

1136
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,599
rhizomatic situation where we need to

1137
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,079
keep connecting at a grassroots level we

1138
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,119
need to keep can connecting at a

1139
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,200
community level and i really was

1140
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,839
emboldened i felt great and i felt

1141
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:40,560
better and more optimistic when i heard

1142
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:43,920
um gary nolan talking recently about how

1143
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,119
this can actually embolden academia he

1144
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,359
was talking about how like okay guys we

1145
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,520
don't have to reveal everything which of

1146
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,200
course is gonna raise some raise

1147
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,720
suspicion among some people and that's

1148
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,560
totally understandable but him being

1149
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,560
like okay we don't have to

1150
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,960
talk about every single little thing

1151
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,280
but we can really just kind of validate

1152
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:05,440
the overall reality here and what that

1153
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,960
can unlock in terms of freeing up

1154
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,119
academia and these brilliant minds to

1155
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,599
start like really having at this issue

1156
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,960
and that

1157
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,720
that i'm i'm

1158
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:18,320
i'm more

1159
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,720
optimistic about because i know how many

1160
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,599
outside-the-box thinkers and really

1161
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,839
you know kind of mavericks and radicals

1162
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,839
there can even be within

1163
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:32,160
within the labs in academia and within

1164
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,599
you know the social sciences and

1165
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,240
academia that can they can approach this

1166
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,400
from a different direction the only fear

1167
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,160
there is that that's also going to fear

1168
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,920
that's also going to feed into venture

1169
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,079
capitalism and if we think the hall of

1170
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:45,520
mirrors right now

1171
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,440
with congress and the

1172
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:48,160
military-industrial complex is

1173
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,359
challenging

1174
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:51,200
just imagine once

1175
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,079
every

1176
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,560
billionaire startup

1177
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,560
corporation comes into play and really

1178
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,960
grabs us tries to grab this situation by

1179
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:00,640
the throat i mean

1180
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,079
things might get a lot more muddy uh

1181
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,680
before they become clear if that's the

1182
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,880
case

1183
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,640
yeah and john so i was gonna say

1184
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,160
jonathan davis just mentioned that here

1185
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,760
what are everyone's thoughts on peter

1186
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:13,599
thiel's enigma project

1187
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,720
is it healthy for the topic

1188
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,720
anyone i mean i'm familiar with it but i

1189
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,079
don't know the ins and outs of what he's

1190
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,319
proposing so if anyone knows any more

1191
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,440
about it i'd be interested to hear you

1192
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,000
hear your thoughts

1193
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,440
i haven't done but i've just heard

1194
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:29,119
people commenting i don't really know

1195
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,710
to uh

1196
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,640
the uh the government side of things and

1197
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,520
the task force um and i caught a lot of

1198
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:41,359
flack from my some of my opinions i

1199
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,240
think i'm gonna give them right now and

1200
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:44,079
catch some more flak why not

1201
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,280
um

1202
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,720
you know uh

1203
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,720
i'm very excited when i see the wording

1204
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,319
in the bills right

1205
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,440
um

1206
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,880
at the same time

1207
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,440
uh you know we have bloggers like

1208
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,160
christopher sharp saying uh what was it

1209
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:01,119
that omsg was a failure immediate

1210
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:02,400
failure

1211
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,680
and i think he talks to a lot of the

1212
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,280
same people we all talk to

1213
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,880
and then we also talk to people and i

1214
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,079
talk to people behind the scenes not

1215
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,520
everyone is on the same page about

1216
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,800
what's going on

1217
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,160
there's a lot of different people making

1218
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,720
different decisions even within these uh

1219
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,760
uap task force things like that

1220
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,520
one of the main reasons i'm saying show

1221
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,119
me what you got

1222
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,520
is because travis taylor was involved

1223
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,560
and i don't know if we're going to be

1224
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,520
getting

1225
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,599
the ancient aliens going about houses

1226
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,359
travis taylor or if we're going to be

1227
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,640
getting the

1228
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,880
five phds amazing work travis taylor

1229
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,560
that he supposedly does

1230
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,319
but i've talked to people that think

1231
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,839
he's a great scientist and i've talked

1232
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,200
to people that think he's not that great

1233
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,480
of a scientist

1234
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:43,040
so if he's doing the work um and he's

1235
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,000
and he's

1236
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,560
also on reality tv i think we can't just

1237
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,560
trust what he's saying because he's had

1238
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,640
some bad takes on reality tv

1239
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,240
so he has to show us what he's doing he

1240
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,240
has to show us his work so we can double

1241
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,760
check it at least

1242
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,960
um

1243
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,960
and the fact that not everyone is

1244
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,800
agreeing obviously with what's going on

1245
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,400
with all these programs

1246
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,680
um

1247
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,240
and lou right lou has uh critiqued some

1248
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,839
of these programs himself right chris

1249
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:10,000
mellon critiques them

1250
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,119
so

1251
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,720
that's why we need to be

1252
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,240
seeing what they're doing that's why

1253
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,800
that's why we need to be

1254
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,839
kind of figuring out how they're

1255
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,839
operating and they have to show us how

1256
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,960
they're operating not just because of

1257
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,400
travis taylor because of other reasons

1258
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,760
too

1259
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,119
so i don't know if all that is just a

1260
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:26,880
mess um

1261
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,839
it seemed like the aoi msg was a big

1262
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,280
mess if you asked some people no i don't

1263
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:33,359
know that for a fact me personally

1264
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,319
um

1265
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,680
so i'm worried about some of these

1266
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,200
programs just because congress is

1267
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,560
interested and they're throwing money at

1268
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,240
it

1269
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,160
we hear one side saying that a lot of

1270
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,839
great things are happening we and then

1271
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,440
we hear other people kind of giving us

1272
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,520
both sides of the story so that's why

1273
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,520
i'm a little bit more uh

1274
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:52,240
just in the wait and see mode

1275
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,599
oh that's fair enough and i mean there

1276
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,280
was a lot of controversy surrounding the

1277
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,119
announcement of travis taylor

1278
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,359
as her chief scientist of the uap task

1279
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,200
force do do you guys think that we'd be

1280
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,960
better off bringing in scientists that

1281
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:05,440
have no relationship to the ufo subject

1282
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,319
do you think that would be more

1283
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,920
beneficial or do you think there'll be

1284
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,960
issues there because they're not

1285
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,280
familiar with the the rich history and

1286
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,720
the you know the the depth and depth of

1287
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,510
that's related to the subject that's

1288
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,040
fine with me um i think uh

1289
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,359
if travis taylor was more serious on tv

1290
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,640
throughout his

1291
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,480
many many tv shows he's appeared on he's

1292
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,720
done some good tv and he's done some not

1293
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,800
good tv um

1294
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:34,640
but i think when you put yourself out

1295
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,400
there like that we have to at least

1296
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:40,000
being able to shown some of the data i

1297
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,119
mean that's what peer review is all

1298
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,119
about right or at least just showing the

1299
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,800
public what's going on

1300
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,000
um

1301
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,680
if you're acting like that on some of

1302
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,920
these tv shows and people say that well

1303
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,280
that was just the entertainment side of

1304
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,119
him and maybe that's true

1305
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,960
but uh so we need to see the

1306
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,960
professional side and we need to see the

1307
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,119
professional work that's getting done we

1308
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,319
can't just trust what's going on

1309
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,160
yeah that's fair enough uh did anyone

1310
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,640
have any comments on the enigma thing

1311
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,720
from thiel or

1312
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,480
i i'd need to know more personally to

1313
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,920
comment

1314
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,520
me too people are acting like he's like

1315
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,960
some illuminati dude or something i

1316
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:16,000
don't even know anything about him

1317
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,880
really

1318
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,440
haven't dug into it i've stayed away

1319
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,640
from it

1320
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,640
yeah same yeah one thing i wanted to say

1321
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,480
is um let's not lose sight of the fact

1322
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,839
that we just had our first hearing on

1323
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,920
uap and that was very recently and that

1324
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,839
was only one hearing and we are almost

1325
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,520
certainly gonna have more hearings i

1326
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,520
think sometimes people underestimate how

1327
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,599
much um progress that could actually

1328
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,040
make i mean

1329
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,359
you know even elizondo said he don't be

1330
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,680
surprised if you see him uh as one of

1331
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:42,880
the witnesses

1332
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,920
and and maybe he can't reveal everything

1333
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,760
in a public hearing but behind closed

1334
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,160
doors he absolutely can because uh those

1335
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,960
committees have um security clearances

1336
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,800
and you know when when people from the

1337
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,000
pentagon

1338
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,200
start uh getting questioned under oath

1339
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:01,200
right where there's legal repercussions

1340
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,480
and there's also repercussions that

1341
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,599
could impact the pentagon's reputation i

1342
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:06,720
think that's when it's really going to

1343
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,680
get a real interesting real fast i i i

1344
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,160
don't i don't think that um

1345
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,319
it's it's it's a viable way there's a

1346
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,800
viable path forward to somehow wiggle

1347
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,040
out of that i think that is like an

1348
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,440
inevitability that's going to ultimately

1349
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,839
progress um what we're all trying to

1350
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,599
accomplish which is getting people from

1351
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,200
inside the building

1352
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,839
uh to to answer hard questions and you

1353
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,680
know there are consequences when you lie

1354
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,280
under oath you could be sent to prison

1355
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,960
you could be prosecuted

1356
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,480
and another thing i want to say is like

1357
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,240
you know we talk a lot about like okay

1358
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,560
the the the uap task force and the

1359
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,079
current office needs to show the data

1360
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,560
but it's like you know what

1361
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,400
the real question to me and the most

1362
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,680
important question

1363
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:49,760
is there any smoking gun evidence

1364
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,480
because the second you show smoking gun

1365
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,960
evidence a lot of these uh peripheral

1366
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,640
conversations just don't matter anymore

1367
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,720
to me because if the second you show

1368
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,040
smoking gut evidence now you have every

1369
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,040
institution on the face of this planet

1370
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,720
with eight billion people looking at

1371
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,480
this singular topic and a lot of those

1372
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,240
discussions we like to talk about that

1373
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,480
doesn't matter anymore i don't honestly

1374
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,000
you show us the smoking gun evidence i

1375
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,760
don't give a damn about the uap task

1376
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,839
force i don't get the damned about aoi

1377
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,720
msg i don't give a dan about the new the

1378
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,400
new legislative language i don't give a

1379
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,880
damn about how uh more money is going to

1380
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,640
the new office where where is that

1381
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,960
evidence where is the 23-minute video

1382
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,359
that elizano has spoken about where is

1383
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,680
the video that eliza has spoken about

1384
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,560
where uh video was taken 50 feet from

1385
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,880
the cockpit has the congress seen that

1386
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,640
does that stuff actually exist and maybe

1387
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,240
it doesn't exist right

1388
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,400
but if you look at the historical record

1389
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:44,000
the ufo historical record people have

1390
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,119
been coming out of the woodworks for

1391
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,119
decades saying the evidence exists the

1392
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,960
data exists when are we going to see

1393
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,440
that data i'm i'm actually getting angry

1394
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,560
just thinking about these little

1395
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,920
peripheral conversations we're always

1396
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,839
having when ultimately you show us the

1397
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,319
damn data and it's over and then we can

1398
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,160
stop this nonsense and i'm writing my

1399
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,160
little blog post about x y z j a i don't

1400
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,119
care about x y g a five three show me

1401
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,520
the damn data now it doesn't exist or

1402
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,000
does it not exist and then i'm sorry i

1403
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,680
know maybe i need to see his therapist

1404
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:13,599
but i'm sorry but it's like

1405
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,560
listen

1406
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,640
it's like

1407
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,640
is this real man right are people

1408
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,599
getting abducted are people are are our

1409
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,359
craft coming into people's faces are

1410
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:25,040
people seeing triangles every day in

1411
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:28,800
saucers and and and uh elliptical

1412
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,240
and spherical machines and uh all this

1413
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,079
stuff getting telepathic downloads like

1414
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,400
are we nuts are we nuts

1415
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,480
who has the data i want to know who has

1416
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,599
the data

1417
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,880
from the rest of the people why are we

1418
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,520
living in the dark ages for what

1419
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,200
i don't think we understand the madness

1420
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,720
of this situation

1421
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,880
i mean this is madness on the on the

1422
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,119
highest level you could possibly imagine

1423
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,720
we're all living out our lives

1424
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,040
pretending we're alone we're all living

1425
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,400
on our lives pretending there's not an

1426
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,240
alien presence and for me just saying

1427
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,400
that i look like a crazy lunatic well i

1428
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,520
probably look like a crazy lunatic

1429
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,280
regardless what's coming in my mouth but

1430
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,200
but regardless i'm just i'm just sick of

1431
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,880
it man i'm just sick of it i'm just kind

1432
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,280
of you all all for you are my therapist

1433
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,359
right now i'm on the couch and you are

1434
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,200
all my therapist and i'm letting it out

1435
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,599
and by by the time this this this panel

1436
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,599
is done i'm gonna be like the dalai lama

1437
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,520
you know why because you are my

1438
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,760
therapist that's why and i appreciate it

1439
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,880
thank you

1440
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,200
i appreciate that that statement and

1441
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,800
that was amazing and you raised some

1442
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,880
great points you know people always talk

1443
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,280
about these videos the 23 minute video

1444
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,119
i've seen it here in the chat mentioned

1445
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,440
lots already in the last few minutes

1446
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,520
but is it the videos we need or is it

1447
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,079
the data or is it the package do we need

1448
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,000
you know if a video comes out we're all

1449
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,839
excited for a week and then after that

1450
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,079
we then start demanding the data because

1451
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,839
you know people are easily

1452
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,280
you know they move on from things quite

1453
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,119
quickly they always want more do we need

1454
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,520
to just have it all in one big go or

1455
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,760
what what does everyone think about that

1456
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,960
we've been talking about this for five

1457
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,319
years i mean

1458
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:02,000
wasn't the tic-tac kind of smoking gun

1459
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,960
though

1460
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,319
and what is the definition of smoking

1461
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,160
gun it's like we need more and more it's

1462
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,920
looking good i'm pretty sure before they

1463
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,760
released the tic tac and all that they

1464
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:11,760
thought it was but i guess we all need

1465
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,839
to come to terms of what smoking gun is

1466
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,559
yeah

1467
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,240
well i mean i think i think

1468
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,839
the bottom i just want to real quick we

1469
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,359
do have to come to terms with what what

1470
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,200
smoking gun is but let's not forget that

1471
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,200
ella and maybe alexander's wrong look

1472
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,040
elizano could be wrong i'm not saying

1473
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,599
that he's not but he did say that the

1474
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,319
the go fast the gimbal

1475
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,000
and the floor one are some of the least

1476
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:36,079
compelling the least compelling of the

1477
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,280
archives

1478
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,720
so

1479
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,640
if we want to argue that what we've been

1480
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,839
given are not smoking gun and i don't

1481
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,599
think they're smoking gun there is an

1482
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,359
indication that there is smoking gun if

1483
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,440
there are as much higher fidelity videos

1484
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,599
and i do happen to think that that the

1485
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,760
tic tac is probably smoking gun not the

1486
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,359
video but if you were to take all the

1487
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,520
data that's classified the radar data

1488
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,520
that they've collected that that um

1489
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,440
basically corroborates the movements and

1490
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,680
so forth and let's not forget that uh

1491
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,680
commander david fravor he went on record

1492
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,359
with jeremy corbell and said that he saw

1493
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,760
the radar tape and he he explicitly said

1494
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,680
that when he saw the radar tape from the

1495
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,680
tic tac it was like it was like he

1496
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,280
remembers exactly where he was just like

1497
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,960
people remember where they are when 9 11

1498
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,640
happened so

1499
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:17,920
yeah i just that's the only thing i want

1500
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,750
well no i was just going to say

1501
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,920
um

1502
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,640
that the data coming out is is kind of

1503
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,720
like something i'm concerned about as

1504
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,079
far as

1505
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,760
you know again in the language they're

1506
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,599
talking about the historical record and

1507
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,599
if the if the government in some way

1508
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,280
influenced how

1509
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,760
the the public thought about the subject

1510
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:43,440
and and things like that

1511
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,720
i am you know

1512
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:49,119
of all that smoking gun data right how

1513
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,510
you know is he coming back

1514
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,040
i think he froze

1515
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,559
james

1516
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,280
kind of in a classified

1517
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,359
i'm back yeah sorry about that it's so

1518
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,040
good i don't know i'm not sure where you

1519
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,319
where i left off where you lost me

1520
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,680
the beginning um

1521
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,440
yeah go back to the start just to be

1522
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,280
safe

1523
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,640
yeah no i was going to say out of the

1524
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,280
smoking gun data right i don't know how

1525
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,359
much of that will reach just congress in

1526
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,760
a classified setting in these programs

1527
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,839
or or if it's going to come out to the

1528
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,910
and ryan's right though it's incredibly

1529
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,680
frustrating it's frustrating to hear

1530
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,760
when the task force says they have 100

1531
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:34,400
or

1532
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:39,119
mean it is it's super frustrating i'm

1533
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,559
with ryan on this

1534
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,839
and just show us

1535
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,359
please

1536
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,200
yeah and surely not all of it comes down

1537
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,960
to the fact they can't show us due to

1538
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,640
dates you know the way that they capture

1539
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,319
these things because we know half of

1540
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,240
them are captured with iphones by

1541
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,079
wizards in the back seat i mean those

1542
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,319
systems aren't classified it's the

1543
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,000
you know the gun camera stuff yeah i can

1544
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,240
understand that so you know and even the

1545
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:02,720
fact that they didn't release the shapes

1546
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:06,000
section of the task force report i mean

1547
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,280
how is that going to affect national

1548
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,680
security if we suddenly know the the

1549
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,119
frequency of shapes you know the amount

1550
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,880
of shapes and stuff so

1551
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:14,559
yeah there's definitely this over

1552
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,839
secrecy aspect still still happening so

1553
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:20,000
and i mean i

1554
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,720
and

1555
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,839
you know one

1556
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,400
conventional

1557
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,240
kind of talking point with regard to the

1558
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,319
shapes conversation with them not

1559
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,800
releasing shapes is of course

1560
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,599
you know are they going to

1561
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,760
accidentally play the hand of showing

1562
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,480
that something like the tr-3b

1563
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,960
um actually exists you know that there

1564
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:43,920
are potentially experimental aircraft or

1565
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,119
experimental propulsion systems um

1566
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:48,960
at places like wright patterson or

1567
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,720
elsewhere right and um and of course

1568
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,119
many of us kind of surmise that that of

1569
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,880
course there's going to be experimental

1570
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,559
aircraft of course there's going to be

1571
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,800
experimental propulsion you know that's

1572
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,200
what you know pushing forward the ball

1573
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,599
of technology is right if there if there

1574
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,079
aren't experimental aircraft something's

1575
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:10,079
wrong with regard to

1576
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:10,960
you know

1577
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,319
pushing the ball forward right um and so

1578
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:15,839
there's an element where that makes

1579
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,280
sense and at the same time i think that

1580
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,599
that part of the conundrum that we get

1581
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,319
into where we keep going in this like

1582
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,640
long-form circle where you know it's

1583
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,960
1956 and the air force is like yeah yeah

1584
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,079
there's something there and then it's

1585
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,160
like 1950 and they're like i don't know

1586
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,760
about any of this you know

1587
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,079
and um and then we keep going back to

1588
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:38,000
this is partially that

1589
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:39,599
that

1590
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,960
folks don't want to talk about beings

1591
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:44,480
and folks don't want to talk about

1592
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,680
non-human intelligence and the more that

1593
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,760
everything gets kind of fixed on fleur

1594
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,119
videos

1595
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,599
and cockpits and technology and craft

1596
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,960
specifically because it's so tied into

1597
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,839
reverse engineering projects right

1598
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,640
and what i kind of what i appreciate

1599
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,839
about

1600
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,000
so you know some of what gary nolan's

1601
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,079
doing and others is that you know

1602
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:10,559
looking at

1603
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,480
interaction

1604
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,400
looking at more case studies like that

1605
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,640
looking at more of the social the social

1606
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:20,800
studies behind what's happening here

1607
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,400
that that can be an inroad possibly into

1608
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,240
more disclosure

1609
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,319
because it doesn't hit

1610
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,960
these red flag areas of experimental

1611
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,119
propulsion do you know what i mean and

1612
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,079
so like you know people were were kind

1613
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,960
of conditioned within ufology and within

1614
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,880
the the field in general that we're

1615
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,720
supposed to be we're supposed to find

1616
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,559
talking about beings icky or we're

1617
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,200
supposed to find like telepathy to be

1618
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:49,359
like scary witchcraft talk or something

1619
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,319
like that

1620
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,720
and then it but it persists it keeps

1621
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,119
persisting you know what i mean you know

1622
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,839
if i ask any of us with no matter what

1623
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,079
our drawing skill is to draw a gray

1624
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,040
alien or whatever you want to call that

1625
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,040
you will and you'll probably get it you

1626
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,599
know 80 accurate because it's you know

1627
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,280
there's been so many accounts there's

1628
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,040
been so much of that and that's not the

1629
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,720
only kind of being that there that

1630
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:14,559
people report right

1631
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:15,280
so

1632
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,160
you know

1633
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,640
part of it for

1634
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,960
me is like okay let's if

1635
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,880
if we're really hitting a wall with

1636
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,960
craft let's open up the conversation

1637
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,640
because there's plenty of other places

1638
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,160
that we can go

1639
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,760
outside of like how big are the craft

1640
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,200
how do they fly where are they going

1641
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,799
where are they coming from you know

1642
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,400
there are plenty of other questions in

1643
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,799
this conversation that actually might be

1644
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,520
more helpful in terms of us getting some

1645
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,000
answers um because people won't be

1646
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,240
slamming the door so god damn hard

1647
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,680
yeah that's a good point and christian

1648
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,040
rage is a good point here we've only

1649
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,520
really talked about ce1 what about two

1650
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,079
to five so does anyone have any sort of

1651
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,240
comments or opinions on how we can

1652
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,559
integrate two to five with regards to

1653
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,000
pushing this subject forward at the

1654
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,870
yeah i mean i would say i'll just say

1655
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,559
real quickly because i i did a whole

1656
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,559
twitter video on what jay was talking

1657
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,480
about the reason i think we don't focus

1658
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,160
on the beings frankly

1659
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,839
as a collective

1660
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,760
is because we we we're still debating

1661
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:15,520
whether the phenomena exists in my

1662
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,640
opinion

1663
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,799
um you know there's a lot of us who are

1664
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,359
convinced but but institutionally we are

1665
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,119
we are in journalistically we are still

1666
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,640
debating

1667
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:26,319
the phenomena to some level even though

1668
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,599
the government has come out and said

1669
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,119
this is real

1670
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,520
there's a lot of interpretation that is

1671
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,960
there to how people are going to

1672
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,559
perceive that the moment and i said this

1673
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,960
in my twitter video the moment that it's

1674
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,319
no longer

1675
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:40,160
is it real what does it really mean is

1676
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,680
maybe it's chinese drones maybe it's

1677
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,960
russian drones maybe it's a weather

1678
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:44,720
phenomena maybe it's glitches the moment

1679
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,920
it gets universally accepted i predict

1680
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,160
uh the media is going to go right from

1681
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,920
oh look at the five observables look at

1682
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,839
these crafts and that's going to be

1683
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,480
maybe 30 of it 40 of it and then the

1684
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,240
majority is going to shift to who's

1685
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,839
behind the wheel how long have they been

1686
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:02,240
here what is their agenda and what it

1687
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,680
what has their agenda been what's their

1688
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,880
gender be going in the future so my my

1689
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,319
response to what jay was saying is we

1690
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,480
really need to get that that solidified

1691
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,319
and unfortunately or fortunately only

1692
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,559
then will we really start digging into

1693
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,400
what are these entities that are that

1694
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,720
are in control of these technologies

1695
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:20,319
and seeing the drive right about it

1696
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,119
who's

1697
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,040
very straightforward like

1698
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,040
defense website tied the roadway is the

1699
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,599
drive and now they're kind of uh writing

1700
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,839
about this new wording about how they

1701
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,599
don't want the um the government doesn't

1702
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,960
want the cases that are drones push

1703
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,720
those aside they want the unknown

1704
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,280
unknowns that was crazy and huge

1705
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,440
and very positive and i'm very excited

1706
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:41,839
about that um some of this wording is so

1707
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:44,319
damn good but we did see it last year

1708
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,359
and then we didn't see a whole lot of

1709
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,200
progress in the last year at least

1710
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,960
publicly it was maybe going on behind

1711
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,200
the scenes so that we see this amazing

1712
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:53,040
wording but we just kind of want this

1713
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,319
follow up on the wording that we're

1714
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,240
saying that we get so excited about but

1715
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,839
that was big that was a big story

1716
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,079
recently

1717
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:02,000
definitely yeah

1718
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,359
so james

1719
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,040
do you want to take that question from

1720
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,040
before about how we can incorporate you

1721
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,000
know ce2 to 5 in the conversation moving

1722
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,839
forward

1723
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:14,000
yeah uh you know i'm actually i you know

1724
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,359
i've been working and i'm working on

1725
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,480
this article uh regarding contact work

1726
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,640
uh you know or ce5 human initiated

1727
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,960
contact uh you know i think a lot of

1728
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,799
people here will appreciate i have a

1729
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,720
nice big section on it that's actually a

1730
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:28,000
disclaimer

1731
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,960
um

1732
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:31,200
just you know just just to have it there

1733
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,240
um

1734
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,680
but

1735
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:35,359
in regards to

1736
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:36,559
you know

1737
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,799
some people would kind of argue if you

1738
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,520
know

1739
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,599
how how that's possible

1740
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,000
but you know we know that when when

1741
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:48,559
there there are these close encounters

1742
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,000
um there's always you know or generally

1743
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,000
some kind of

1744
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,240
cognitive inner human interface right

1745
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,000
cognitive human interface like that was

1746
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,040
on the slide nine a-tip slide uh that i

1747
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,280
talked to lou about and

1748
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,119
you know

1749
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:06,720
i think that

1750
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,680
you know now more than ever right

1751
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,520
is is a time when you need maybe like

1752
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:13,920
the human sensor out there in the field

1753
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,799
right um i've talked to my friend um

1754
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:18,799
the hermetic penetrator

1755
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,079
about you know

1756
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,559
back actually in the early 90s dr steven

1757
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:23,839
greer

1758
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,119
um you know love him or hate him he had

1759
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:29,200
uh you know rapid mobilization team

1760
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,880
right so when there was like a wave or a

1761
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,960
big ufo sighting they sent the team out

1762
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,760
there

1763
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,400
to try to engage with the phenomenon

1764
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:40,960
uh and you know i mean they wanted to do

1765
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,240
it for kind of you know ambassadorial

1766
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,440
means and and and contact in that sense

1767
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,200
which i think is important actually

1768
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,119
because

1769
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:53,119
you know if there is this intelligence

1770
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,799
intelligence that's been engaging with

1771
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,720
us why aren't we why don't we have

1772
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,720
initiatives to

1773
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,880
to kind of

1774
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,040
interact with that right and and i mean

1775
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,440
even if even from like a curiosity

1776
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,680
standpoint right like why wouldn't you

1777
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,839
want to try to learn about that

1778
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,720
um

1779
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,480
you know but again there's so many

1780
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,160
different avenues that you can go from

1781
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,119
that and i think that now more than ever

1782
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,960
you know that you have kind of like the

1783
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,799
official stamp of approval saying you

1784
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,960
know this is a real phenomenon

1785
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,200
you know why wouldn't you want to to

1786
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,599
even collect more information right

1787
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,440
or you know and and then the next level

1788
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,040
would be like why wouldn't you try to

1789
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,680
have like a diplomatic approach to that

1790
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,440
so

1791
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,079
i think that having you know kind of a

1792
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:39,839
like a

1793
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:43,040
rejuvenation or resurrection of

1794
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,799
you know something like contact work

1795
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:46,000
especially

1796
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,280
the way

1797
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,359
that technology has advanced like you

1798
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,680
can go buy like decent night vision now

1799
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,760
for like 500 bucks you know you couldn't

1800
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,079
you know 20 years ago like you needed

1801
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,400
like three three yeah like three

1802
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,720
thousand dollars plus to have like a

1803
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,559
decent generation three night vision now

1804
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:03,839
you have like

1805
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,400
technology that's very cheap efficient

1806
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,960
that records right on the same device uh

1807
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,839
you know i'm psionics is a popular one

1808
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,760
but it is it's like 500 bucks you have

1809
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,599
like a decent night vision you know it's

1810
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,520
still not generation three

1811
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,760
but yeah imagine the data that you can

1812
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,839
collect if there was like a civilian

1813
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,440
organization that was out doing this

1814
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,839
right um and again that's another

1815
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,359
component i think there there should be

1816
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,359
more civilian initiatives

1817
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,960
rather than all these government

1818
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:32,079
initiatives

1819
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,960
um

1820
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,240
you know and again we're going to have

1821
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:35,920
the the corporate initiatives kind of

1822
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:38,319
step in and you know what what kind of

1823
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,680
crazy

1824
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:42,079
element is that going to add to to you

1825
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:42,799
know

1826
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,200
proprietary right

1827
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,760
um without without the the restricted

1828
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,680
government oversight that we're seeing

1829
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,440
so

1830
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,520
i think that

1831
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,760
you know now more than ever is is a good

1832
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,520
time to do like

1833
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,680
civilian initiatives and and even the

1834
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,200
contact initiatives i think there's a

1835
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:05,440
lot of potential now more than ever

1836
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,880
do you guys remember that tom delong

1837
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,480
comment about the

1838
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,880
government program and it sounded like

1839
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:12,799
they were doing cd5 and i don't know if

1840
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,119
it's true

1841
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,119
yeah and i asked jim semivan are there

1842
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,520
are there legacy programs that involve

1843
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:21,039
you know

1844
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,240
phenomena is the proper lingo for that

1845
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,200
uh and he said i i'd be surprised if

1846
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,119
there wasn't

1847
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,119
uh one thing i want to say is like i

1848
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:37,680
would be surprised if there wasn't uh

1849
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:40,160
efforts in the past from uap programs

1850
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,359
making contact because that would be a

1851
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,960
huge component of gathering intelligence

1852
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,880
you would want to know why they're here

1853
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,720
uh if possible and i know it sounds

1854
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,400
outlandish but if if possible you'd

1855
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,400
wanna you'd want them to be your ally

1856
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,559
right maybe they don't think in that way

1857
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,319
but you never know and you know when

1858
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,839
you're when you're a nation state you

1859
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,359
you cover all your bases just in case

1860
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,280
that's the case so i would be very

1861
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,280
surprised if if attempts have not been

1862
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,720
made to make contact now whether they've

1863
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,400
been successful or not that's another

1864
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:06,079
issue but i have a question for jay now

1865
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,440
that we're talking about c5 it just kind

1866
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,000
of answered my head and he would be be a

1867
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,000
great candidate to ask to answer this

1868
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,599
question jay jay i know you're an

1869
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:14,640
abductee

1870
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,119
it's not it's not a secret

1871
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,839
and i and i'm i'm sure your experiences

1872
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,760
have been traumatic in many respects you

1873
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,119
know you know

1874
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,640
as with a lot of abductees and so my

1875
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,200
question for you jay is how do abductees

1876
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,359
like yourself and others how do they

1877
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:31,359
perceive

1878
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,720
ce5

1879
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,319
the going out to the field and

1880
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,000
attempting to make contact

1881
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:38,000
when we when we consider that a lot of

1882
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,000
abductee's experiences

1883
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,760
have not been exactly

1884
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,039
uh

1885
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:45,440
consensual or even pleasant so i'm

1886
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,480
curious

1887
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,119
do abductors generally shy away from

1888
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,839
practices like ce5 or do they actually

1889
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,880
pursue practices like c5

1890
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,440
that's a great question ryan um

1891
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,520
yeah um

1892
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,400
thanks i i think

1893
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,720
you know i can't speak for all abductees

1894
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:06,720
for sure you know and i wouldn't i

1895
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,079
wouldn't want to um i think

1896
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,319
you know one of the biggest problems

1897
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,880
among abductees is that people think

1898
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,119
that they can speak for abductees

1899
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,520
and people can think that they can speak

1900
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:21,440
for experiencers in general or that

1901
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,400
people

1902
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,039
you know we've gotten conditioned to

1903
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,920
wait for somebody like john mack or we

1904
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,000
wait for bud hopkins or somebody else to

1905
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,839
kind of be like

1906
01:05:03,430 --> 01:04:32,880
a

1907
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,440
um

1908
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:05,920
forms of like say vajrayana buddhist

1909
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:08,960
meditative practice you know um

1910
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:11,440
that can kind of be very adjacent

1911
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,440
to um to what some people term the ce5

1912
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,680
and things like that and so

1913
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:19,760
you know i've known i've even known

1914
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,720
abductees like myself that have like um

1915
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:24,559
gone and

1916
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:25,440
and

1917
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:30,799
locations just to kind of like try to

1918
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:31,210
to

1919
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:32,319
[Music]

1920
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,079
kind of

1921
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,319
throw some of that energy off and try to

1922
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:38,799
embrace or walk towards

1923
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:41,200
the issue in a different way

1924
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,400
and i

1925
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:44,880
first of all going to haunted locations

1926
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:47,680
i don't recommend it i didn't i did that

1927
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,760
like during grad school and it was like

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01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,839
one of the worst ideas i've ever had in

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01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,640
my entire life and similarly along those

1930
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,799
lines you know i think that

1931
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,799
people have to be careful when they try

1932
01:06:05,589 --> 01:05:59,680
to

1933
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,599
you can think of this just like being

1934
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,520
a ouija board or being similar to being

1935
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:09,039
a ouija board you have to think about

1936
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,319
where you are

1937
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,920
when you're approaching a situation like

1938
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,440
this because

1939
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:15,119
you know a lot of these kinds of

1940
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,880
situations you know whether people want

1941
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,359
to admit it or not it it you need to

1942
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,799
come at it from a really balanced

1943
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,119
perspective before you approach anything

1944
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,359
along those lines because you're dealing

1945
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,680
with you're you're potentially dealing

1946
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,920
with in a best-case scenario an

1947
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,319
intelligence that's vastly different

1948
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,880
from your own or feels often vastly

1949
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,319
different than your own

1950
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:38,720
and so you know that can be a

1951
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,359
head screw you know in and of itself

1952
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,119
right and so

1953
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,520
and people often report that you know in

1954
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:47,760
best case scenarios right

1955
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,240
if you're say opening up a ouija board

1956
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,760
right

1957
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:53,920
super balanced people that have kind of

1958
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,880
like that are in a really really decent

1959
01:07:02,470 --> 01:06:58,720
place in terms of their own mental

1960
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,480
process like and have kind of

1961
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:04,559
a methodical approach to kind of

1962
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:06,400
protecting their environment or their

1963
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,359
space

1964
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,440
you know those are often the people that

1965
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:11,280
that that kind of situation works out

1966
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,400
best with

1967
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,559
and then there are a lot of situations

1968
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,640
that are like my friend stuart davis

1969
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:17,760
often

1970
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,559
uh categorizes as the spiritual

1971
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,880
equivalent of a greyhound bus station

1972
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,119
right where like you're saying ryan you

1973
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,640
don't know what you're gonna get you

1974
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:28,559
know you're walking into a situation

1975
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,119
and you could be handed like the worst

1976
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:33,359
trip imaginable it could be definitely

1977
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,319
like brown acid at woodstock bad you

1978
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,160
know

1979
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,280
for sure so uh it's a long-winded way of

1980
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,200
saying like i think people approach it

1981
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:45,599
very differently um but i think that you

1982
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,270
finding like a healthy way to have a

1983
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,960
different form of contact or or approach

1984
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,359
that kind of meditative practice has

1985
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,200
been helpful for a lot of people and it

1986
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,960
depends on whether they're really trying

1987
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,559
to make contact or whether they're

1988
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,240
trying to find a sense of inner

1989
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:06,480
tranquility or both

1990
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:08,000
you know just i know james wants to

1991
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,200
chime in but i just want to say it just

1992
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,200
dawned on me for abductees they're

1993
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,720
they're literally getting up into the

1994
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,200
face of these entities so you know i

1995
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,359
could see why ce5 may not even be

1996
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:19,440
appealing i mean i can see why it would

1997
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:21,279
be appealing but i could also see why it

1998
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,159
wouldn't be appealing because you're

1999
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,560
literally up like see five people are

2000
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:26,000
seeing them in the sky

2001
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,199
you know they're seeing orbs at a

2002
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,799
distance maybe they get a download and

2003
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,960
that would be a very a deep level of

2004
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,560
their ce5 practice but if you're an

2005
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,719
abductee i mean you're you're

2006
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,319
you're getting probably more intimate

2007
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,679
that you'd ever want to get so then why

2008
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,920
would you then transition into ce5 i'm

2009
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,120
not sure that would make sense but i

2010
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,960
guess that's that's a that's that's a

2011
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,480
that's another conversation go ahead

2012
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,759
james i know you want to chime in on

2013
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,679
this well yeah i was going to say so

2014
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,480
since 2009 i've you know been running

2015
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:53,679
the c5 stuff on social media and in that

2016
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,640
i've

2017
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,440
spoken with thousands of people um

2018
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,159
that are actually got involved because

2019
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,040
they they did have experiences like that

2020
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,759
i mean my my own experiences uh i did

2021
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,000
not ask for at the beginning right it

2022
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,199
was that

2023
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:11,920
it wasn't uh the classic classic

2024
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,759
abduction scenario the first one had to

2025
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:16,159
do with entities and was frightening

2026
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:17,679
um but

2027
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:20,239
i think in a lot of cases people are at

2028
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,199
that

2029
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,799
i mean again for better or worse right

2030
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,480
they're at like a breaking point like

2031
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,719
what what the hell is all this why did

2032
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,080
this happen to me

2033
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:29,920
and

2034
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,719
there's no the only the best i mean

2035
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,000
there's no way you're going to get an

2036
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:36,080
answer to that but

2037
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,520
for some people if they have that kind

2038
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:39,199
of personality they're just going to

2039
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,960
want to take it head on right i mean

2040
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:43,040
that's kind of how i i ended up going

2041
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,000
about it

2042
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,560
um because i i didn't want to just

2043
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,040
settle for that was that you know it was

2044
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,279
a way for me to kind of involve myself

2045
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:53,359
in the conversation to an extent

2046
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,400
so

2047
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,640
um again i think there

2048
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,239
there are a lot of people who have an

2049
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,480
experience and they

2050
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,520
they want to engage further and that's

2051
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,679
where maybe c5 might make sense for

2052
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,840
people like that but again like you said

2053
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,320
there's people who may

2054
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,560
have been traumatized and they

2055
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,239
they don't want to

2056
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,400
you know further engage but

2057
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,320
at the same time i i don't really know

2058
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,719
many people who've had an experience and

2059
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,480
and just put it away and don't want to

2060
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,560
know anymore either so

2061
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:26,159
um i guess it comes down to the

2062
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:27,440
individual

2063
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:28,320
yeah

2064
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,840
wait a minute minute wait a minute

2065
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,440
people are abducted sometimes they they

2066
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,960
have telepathic communication with the

2067
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,880
entities themselves so are they really

2068
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,239
going to learn more

2069
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,239
by doing c5 not necessarily so it really

2070
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,760
depends i think it's a it would be a

2071
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,840
person no no no no no no no

2072
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,400
ryan you actually yeah you do you do i

2073
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,640
mean again in in engaging with the

2074
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,800
phenomenon itself you're gonna have

2075
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:50,960
realizations and and the downloads and

2076
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,709
it's not conclusive right

2077
01:11:03,110 --> 01:10:58,719
but it is and and again i did have

2078
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,120
situations like that um again so it's

2079
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,199
it's

2080
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:06,880
ah

2081
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,199
i was just gonna say if we've heard

2082
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,360
stories from abductees

2083
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,040
both positive and negative which

2084
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:17,360
suggests a benevolence and a malevolent

2085
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,320
intent

2086
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,480
but then do we see that with ce5 you

2087
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,000
know jay was saying you don't always

2088
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,760
know what you're gonna get could you

2089
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,600
possibly be drawing in something

2090
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,640
malevolent

2091
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,669
and i i've talked in uh

2092
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:34,320
with exo academian on about this on his

2093
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,360
channel

2094
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,560
and

2095
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,320
you know again if you look at all the

2096
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,199
ce5 information literature however you

2097
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,440
want to call it

2098
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,360
overwhelmingly

2099
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,960
there is

2100
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,760
you know positive experiences and does

2101
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,560
that have to do probably with the intent

2102
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,360
uh that you're going out with probably

2103
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,880
uh does that mean that you can't have a

2104
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,040
bad experience no but

2105
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,360
i mean again given i've spoken with

2106
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,760
thousands of people i've i've worked

2107
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,120
with hundreds of people in the field

2108
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,400
doing cd5 and overwhelmingly

2109
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,159
the the um

2110
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,199
experiences people usually have are

2111
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,920
positive and again maybe that's because

2112
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,600
of where they're coming from with the

2113
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,360
work

2114
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,360
i can only suspect that

2115
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,440
um and you know but then some people

2116
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:25,840
would say oh well it's just it's just

2117
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,120
all screen memory or or

2118
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:30,719
you know what have you and i guess

2119
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:33,440
nobody really knows that for sure

2120
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:34,400
but

2121
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,159
if you look at all the c5 information

2122
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:41,360
95 percent of it or more is is positive

2123
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,800
for whatever reason

2124
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,880
and but but in fairness in fairness i

2125
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,280
think it's important to to

2126
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,360
refrain from assuming that what is being

2127
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:51,440
experienced during ce5

2128
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,080
is necessarily related to what is being

2129
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:56,320
experienced during abduction scenarios

2130
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:59,280
yeah absolutely

2131
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,480
and i think that's important to

2132
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,719
underscore uh also because when you look

2133
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,719
at the phenomena itself it's it's really

2134
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:06,480
possible that it's it's extraordinarily

2135
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,440
diverse and some of it may be um native

2136
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,600
to to our planet uh aboriginal to our

2137
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,199
planet if you will some of it may be

2138
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:14,880
extraterrestrial some of it may be

2139
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,360
interdimensional uh some of it may be

2140
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,960
categories that we can't even uh

2141
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,480
decipher so

2142
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,080
you know just because people are having

2143
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,800
amazing experiences during c5

2144
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:26,400
doesn't mean that that's that's that's a

2145
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:29,199
good way to to ascertain the nature of

2146
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,400
the phenomenon maybe it's only a good

2147
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:32,880
way to ascertain a small sliver of a

2148
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,000
huge cornucopia of the phenomena

2149
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:37,920
yeah i think you're exactly right and

2150
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,400
and maybe it's just my attitude but

2151
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:42,000
that's why i would want to find out

2152
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,440
right i mean maybe that's a dumb thing

2153
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,360
when i was very young i took a paper

2154
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,920
clip and i put it into an electric

2155
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:50,000
socket right that's the kind of kit i am

2156
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,239
or it was so maybe that's my attitude

2157
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,320
right and i think you know even more so

2158
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,400
that's why you need people

2159
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:59,120
you know again who are who are willing

2160
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,800
uh to to

2161
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,600
engage with the phenomenon to to try to

2162
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,600
investigate

2163
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,600
i i do think that kind of like the

2164
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:09,360
diplomatic attitude that was put forward

2165
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,400
with the c5 initiative is is important

2166
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,719
in in the work of that

2167
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,640
but again even just for the sake of

2168
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,560
collecting data i mean

2169
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,679
you

2170
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:22,960
more exposure to it

2171
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:27,280
so i i think that that's even more so

2172
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,840
um why

2173
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,159
should be some kind of initiative to do

2174
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,080
that kind of work

2175
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:35,280
and and and kind of like an un

2176
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,159
you know

2177
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,719
unbiased way be able to look at all the

2178
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:40,080
information

2179
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:41,360
and

2180
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:46,870
yes great point

2181
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,159
i think i think yeah one one

2182
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,480
small follow-up to that uh is

2183
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,640
i agree with what you're saying james

2184
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:56,719
and i understand the question ryan for

2185
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,760
sure i think that one thing here is that

2186
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,719
there's

2187
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,640
the issue with many experiencers or

2188
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,960
people that have had a wide range of

2189
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,280
contact that could be considered scary

2190
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,400
like say a poltergeist or a ghost or

2191
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,640
you know a being or an abduction or

2192
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,760
things like that there are a lot of

2193
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,159
forms that are frightening and there are

2194
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,800
forms that are much more benevolent and

2195
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,280
you know and then there's the gray area

2196
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,520
where it could just be like

2197
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,320
the paranormal of equivalent of a bat

2198
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,239
where it's just like kind of adjacent to

2199
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,880
you and it doesn't necessarily want the

2200
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,800
best for you it doesn't necessarily want

2201
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,400
the worst for you it doesn't necessarily

2202
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:36,719
care about you it's just there and it's

2203
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:38,960
whether you regard that bat as a

2204
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,600
nuisance or a problem uh more than

2205
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,600
anything else and along those lines is

2206
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,040
that you know

2207
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,120
one thing that i will say is fascinating

2208
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,239
is is the concept of like having you

2209
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,480
know telepathic contact or having being

2210
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,159
kind of like tapped into like a wider

2211
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,400
consciousness field that's fascinating

2212
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,400
right it's just a it's a fascinating

2213
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,800
feeling it's a fascinating concept it's

2214
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,960
a fascinating reality that that is

2215
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,960
something that happens there you know

2216
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,120
and if people don't want to say buy into

2217
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:08,960
that you know you can also think about

2218
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,960
remote viewing you know i mean we're

2219
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:12,560
still kind of talking about similar

2220
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:15,360
topics here right and so you know

2221
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,960
finding a way to tap into the con that

2222
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,880
kind of consciousness field or open up

2223
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:22,800
your mind in in a different way and

2224
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,600
finding something positive

2225
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,960
within that

2226
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,640
that can be like a really spiritual

2227
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,719
transformative or like

2228
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:32,960
a great way to process something and and

2229
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:36,080
in a way it's kind of like how often

2230
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,280
therapists talk about the importance of

2231
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,280
going back to the scene of a crime if

2232
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,360
you've been a victim that like going

2233
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,520
back to the site of trauma can be really

2234
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:47,760
helpful in terms of like facing the

2235
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,239
situation head on and so

2236
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,320
finding something like that and instead

2237
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,400
of just visiting the site but you

2238
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,400
finding a way to use it as a tool in a

2239
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,640
more positive way you know a lot of

2240
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:00,080
people have found that very helpful

2241
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,280
hopefully that makes a little bit of

2242
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,120
sense

2243
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,440
it does yeah definitely i mean when you

2244
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,920
think about biological effects now we've

2245
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:09,360
heard about them

2246
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:10,159
from

2247
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,920
people talking about military encounters

2248
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:14,080
being too close to the craft but then if

2249
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,440
you talk there was that one case that

2250
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,760
came out of osap that likatsky spoke

2251
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,120
about the orb that entered the guy

2252
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,880
through his shoulder and you know he had

2253
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,360
seriously serious health effects

2254
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:25,440
do we just put them down to accidental

2255
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,040
or being in the wrong place at the wrong

2256
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:28,960
time like within proximity to these

2257
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,640
objects or

2258
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,239
could there be intent behind them you

2259
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:33,920
see there's so many different

2260
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:35,360
nuances to the

2261
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,640
aspect i mean i think that's why you

2262
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,880
need to know right i think that i mean

2263
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:40,719
and you're not gonna i guess again maybe

2264
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:42,080
it's people will say it's playing on

2265
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:43,520
fire and that maybe that's partially

2266
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,400
true

2267
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,040
um but we're not going to find out any

2268
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:48,880
other way i guess right um and then

2269
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,239
again you have the

2270
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,560
christopher bledsoe right he had healing

2271
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,640
right and there's been multiple healings

2272
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:56,000
allegedly

2273
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:58,000
involved with that and and that's

2274
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,920
something that comes up again and again

2275
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:01,760
and again in the literature

2276
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,920
and i i think

2277
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,600
uh most of us will agree i know ryan

2278
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,800
will agree here

2279
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,719
um that we're probably dealing with a

2280
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:10,719
number of different phenomena right

2281
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:12,320
we're probably dealing with several

2282
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,719
different intelligences again ranging

2283
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,199
from ultra-terrestrials something that's

2284
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,239
indigenous to this planet or you know

2285
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,120
this planet and or dimension and and

2286
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:25,040
probably a number of other things and i

2287
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,560
think that that's all on the table

2288
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,480
yeah absolutely and there is a lot of

2289
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,640
you know things pointing to it being a

2290
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,719
things of multiple origin i agree but

2291
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:37,120
again yeah it's speculative and but i'm

2292
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,840
happy with that

2293
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,800
yeah

2294
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:42,719
uh before we finish up guys does anyone

2295
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,679
want to talk about anything in

2296
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,760
particular or have any sort of closing

2297
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,440
statements you know we could obviously

2298
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,360
do this for a long time but that won't

2299
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:51,199
take up too much of your time and we can

2300
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:52,640
always do this again but yeah if anyone

2301
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,159
wants to to talk about anything in

2302
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,239
particular now is the time

2303
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,159
all right i'll i'll go uh first of all

2304
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,679
i'll just say it if you want to find me

2305
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,760
on youtube on post disclosure world some

2306
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,679
people call me ufo jesus

2307
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,920
uh and i'll now go from there i just

2308
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,520
want to say that when we look at

2309
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,600
disclosure you know because i know jay

2310
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:11,920
was talking about how you know he wants

2311
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,320
to be optimistic but he sees how you

2312
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:16,320
know the 70 years have gone and it kind

2313
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:17,120
of

2314
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:22,159
and i can totally understand that but i

2315
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:23,520
think it's important not to lose sight

2316
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,840
of the proposition that and i know eric

2317
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,520
davis has touched on this i've touched

2318
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,120
on this a lot

2319
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,159
the disclosure in some weird way

2320
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:34,800
maybe not in our control as much as we

2321
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:38,159
think it is that is a human species

2322
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,880
i came up with an axiom a while back i

2323
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,320
don't have it written down but it goes

2324
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,679
something like this

2325
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:45,360
the more advanced the civilization

2326
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:46,640
becomes

2327
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:48,840
uh the less random all their actions

2328
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,640
become um everything is more uh thought

2329
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,239
out and and

2330
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,080
strategic if you will

2331
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,520
and that that makes sense to me i would

2332
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,800
think that the more advanced a

2333
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,880
civilization gets

2334
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:02,400
the less random they would be now making

2335
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,760
an assumption i'm being a little

2336
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,679
anthropomorphic but i still think that

2337
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,600
there's a good chance that's the case

2338
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,280
and the fact that we've gone 70 plus

2339
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,840
years without one smoking gun

2340
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,199
a lot of people would perceive that as

2341
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:15,520
just happenstance or coincidental my

2342
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,639
personal uh highly subjective

2343
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,159
perspective that's probably

2344
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,320
statistically wrong

2345
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,239
is that um

2346
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,239
the the cover-up was something

2347
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,159
governments were baited into

2348
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,080
uh and there they may be using highly

2349
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:32,239
advanced um artificial intelligence

2350
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:33,760
algorithms

2351
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,560
to influence our species how they think

2352
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,159
is best

2353
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,840
but then there's there's the counter

2354
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,360
argument to that well if that's the case

2355
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,520
why are all the disparate sources of

2356
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:45,440
this phenomena agreeing to do the same

2357
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,679
thing that's a great counter argument

2358
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:49,920
which i don't have a good answer to

2359
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,480
uh unless there's some kind of hierarchy

2360
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:54,480
and it's it's somehow

2361
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,920
it's um

2362
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,080
enforced if you will but what i really

2363
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,400
just you know this gets into my alien ai

2364
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,840
hypothesis which i'm not going to go

2365
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,800
into

2366
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:05,040
in depth now obviously but i just wanted

2367
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,400
to say like you know and i know whitley

2368
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,400
schreiber said this that the architects

2369
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,960
of the secrecy is the the intelligences

2370
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,159
themselves

2371
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,920
i you know and i know it's highly

2372
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,280
subjective and statistically i'm

2373
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,679
probably wrong but i've always had or

2374
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,199
i've recently had

2375
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,440
uh this strong

2376
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:23,600
inclination to think that uh there's a

2377
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,239
there's a very robust manipulation going

2378
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,520
on

2379
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,080
and and and the fact that that that it's

2380
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,239
been like the circumstances have been so

2381
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:34,239
conducive for governments to cover this

2382
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,520
up

2383
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,920
um to me makes me very very suspicious

2384
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,080
i'll just give you a quick example

2385
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,000
are there crashes i mean if you want to

2386
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,000
cover governments to cover this up baby

2387
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:46,320
you you make crashes happen because now

2388
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,520
it immediately goes into the

2389
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:49,920
militaristic realm right countries are

2390
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,920
collecting this technology now they have

2391
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,679
all the incentive in the world to keep

2392
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:55,920
it hush-hush so that adversaries uh get

2393
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,800
no no leg up on on the reality of this

2394
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:00,880
phenomena so that they don't even don't

2395
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,520
even get the incentive to go looking for

2396
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,840
crashes if you will and i just feel like

2397
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,440
there's there's a heavy manipulation

2398
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:08,719
going on

2399
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:10,639
and and that countries were were

2400
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,679
potentially baited into the secrecy

2401
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:15,199
and and what so what would be an

2402
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,719
inevitable outcome of this well i think

2403
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:18,880
that when you know uh

2404
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,880
multiple uh governments uh

2405
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,800
on some level cooperating to keep the

2406
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,320
secret and then if the secret finally

2407
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:28,239
coming out well that was that would

2408
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,760
change the dynamics between the

2409
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,880
government and the government in a

2410
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:33,280
really big way and then inevitably it

2411
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,960
would it would change the structure of

2412
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,120
civilization in an enormous way and in a

2413
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,120
way that the structure of civilization

2414
01:22:42,510 --> 01:22:41,280
would never change if we had open

2415
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:42,520
contact in

2416
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:45,840
1947 or whatever or if the united states

2417
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,960
government came clean in 1947

2418
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,800
the the structural changes that will

2419
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,400
happen as a result of 70 years of

2420
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,480
secrecy are going to be very unique

2421
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:55,760
compared to what would have happened if

2422
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,960
the united states government would have

2423
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:58,960
come clean in 1947 during the height of

2424
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,520
the cold war um you know mutual

2425
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,520
destruction and all that so i'm just to

2426
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,679
put it very simplistically i think

2427
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,679
there's a manipula i think

2428
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,239
but but i'm probably wrong but i think

2429
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,320
there's probably a manipulation going on

2430
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,400
and that disclosure itself sometimes

2431
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,120
somehow factors intimately into that

2432
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,239
because that is to me the disclosure is

2433
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,560
not possible unless there's some kind of

2434
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,120
algorithmic um

2435
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:27,600
uh involvement of the phenomena itself

2436
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,960
to where there's like this almost like

2437
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:31,280
there's this profound balancing act if

2438
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,639
you will this this this balancing act or

2439
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,920
i don't forget what they call it some

2440
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,080
some theologians use it to to refer to

2441
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:40,800
god but there's like this fine tuning or

2442
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:43,520
balancing act to like the phenomena

2443
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:46,320
allows us to know it's real using logic

2444
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:47,440
and reason

2445
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,840
and yet also creates an environment

2446
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:51,199
where it's conducive to be covered up

2447
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,719
now we could just be like watch this

2448
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,080
that's just happenstance that's just the

2449
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:56,159
way things just randomly turned out but

2450
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,600
i don't think so even though i'm

2451
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,280
probably wrong i think this is a this is

2452
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,000
a manipulation based on extraordinarily

2453
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,800
the advanced algorithmic um

2454
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,280
programming they they know when they're

2455
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,800
seen you know how many people are going

2456
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:10,639
to see it they know how it's going to

2457
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,040
infiltrate into society they can control

2458
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,719
our consciousness they can make cameras

2459
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,560
not work quite right if they want to and

2460
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,560
for anyone that says oh your ufo jesus

2461
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,080
has gone mad well i have gone mad and

2462
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,239
that's true but on the other hand if you

2463
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,760
look at if you look at the historical

2464
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:26,080
record of nukes being turned off

2465
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:27,840
if that's true well guess what the

2466
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:29,840
phenomena can can go right through the

2467
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,920
shielding baby and turn our most

2468
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,440
sophisticated weapons of mass

2469
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,440
destruction off at will so if they can

2470
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,600
do that they can mess with your cameras

2471
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,120
baby they could probably mess with your

2472
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,120
consciousness and they probably got some

2473
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,920
very serious uh artificial intelligence

2474
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,760
that is maybe even spiritual

2475
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,199
intelligence if you will

2476
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,199
who knows how deeply they can go into

2477
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,120
into the very structure the very

2478
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,360
construct of reality to manipulate it so

2479
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:56,159
all i'm saying is i have the suspicion

2480
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,920
that we are we have been and we are

2481
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,320
being manipulated and uh that's all i

2482
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,159
got to say and and when disclosure comes

2483
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:03,840
if it ever does maybe maybe that will

2484
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:06,639
become become more clear and and and

2485
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,320
maybe we'll get open contact after that

2486
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,320
and that's that's wha i'll i've hijacked

2487
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:12,239
the show and i'll leave it at that thank

2488
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,520
you

2489
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,600
that was amazing i mean if anyone has

2490
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,760
any follow-ups to that please go on

2491
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:19,440
because there's so much to to pull out

2492
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:25,350
or any other closing comments in general

2493
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:29,199
anybody i was going to say uh god damn

2494
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,560
that's right or jesus christ right yeah

2495
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,960
ufo jesus has got the uh revival tent up

2496
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,560
today i love it

2497
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,920
yeah

2498
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:40,080
that was really epic ryan and and i you

2499
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,520
know and i agree

2500
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:43,840
uh to some extent that the only the only

2501
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,639
true like disclosure on the level i

2502
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,719
think that would even satisfy if i can

2503
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,600
even use that word is from the phenomena

2504
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,480
um and i think you know jacqueline did a

2505
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,000
great job kind of

2506
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,920
hypothesizing some of this with with the

2507
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:59,920
idea of the control system

2508
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:02,000
um which i think is very valid if we're

2509
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,600
dealing with such an advanced

2510
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,120
intelligence

2511
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,360
uh it could probably predict i mean

2512
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,000
again it are all these encounters with

2513
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,400
with the military uh you know

2514
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,159
you know provocative

2515
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,400
in the sense that they're

2516
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:18,639
you know

2517
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,040
instigating a disclosure

2518
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,719
um or

2519
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,639
it's hard to imagine those are just like

2520
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:29,040
what ryan is saying random right those

2521
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:29,760
are

2522
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:33,360
you know

2523
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,600
the years are they just random right

2524
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,000
they have to be able to

2525
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,600
some extent

2526
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,440
anticipate how we're going to respond to

2527
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,280
that and if they they didn't want to be

2528
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:47,600
seen we've seen that they can they can

2529
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:50,080
just make us not see them in different

2530
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:51,040
ways

2531
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:52,719
um

2532
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,440
but uh yeah so i i agree with a lot of

2533
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:57,280
what ryan is saying there

2534
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,159
and

2535
01:27:02,870 --> 01:26:59,840
my own kind of

2536
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:02,880
uh sound off or personal note here

2537
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,760
would be to to encourage people that are

2538
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,920
interested in in the subject to get

2539
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:10,000
involved in in whatever way that they

2540
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,639
can you know i appreciate you know

2541
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:14,560
everything obviously that everyone here

2542
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,520
is doing

2543
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,320
uh you know danny is getting on there

2544
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:20,320
and he's sharing his his uh chicken

2545
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:22,639
nugget dinosaur

2546
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,560
parmesan recipe changing lives no but

2547
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,120
seriously everybody here you know it has

2548
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,639
contributed to the field in their own

2549
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,480
way and i think you know we we need more

2550
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,600
of that

2551
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:34,880
and again that's a

2552
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:37,040
speaking to what maybe jay was saying

2553
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:38,560
before about

2554
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,320
grassroots

2555
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,400
rather than top-down

2556
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:44,960
disclosure i think that's really the way

2557
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,719
forward and even with the academics

2558
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:48,880
getting involved that is a grassroots

2559
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:51,040
kind of thing it's you know it's not

2560
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,840
um

2561
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:54,159
as much top down at least as as kind of

2562
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,280
like the

2563
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,400
us or or otherwise government disclosure

2564
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,280
so i highly encourage people to network

2565
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,159
this to to get involved in whatever

2566
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:06,000
unique way they can you know you got

2567
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,120
people like

2568
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,560
uh tupacabra is making insanely awesome

2569
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,639
art videos and you know like i could

2570
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,000
never do anything like that right and

2571
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:16,239
he's able to reach tons of people doing

2572
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,920
that you know ufo

2573
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:20,639
jesus can can preach a sermon

2574
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,360
you know on disclosure and ufos like

2575
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,280
everybody here has contributed in a

2576
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,800
great and unique way and i think we need

2577
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:28,560
more of that

2578
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:31,840
totally agree yeah jay

2579
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:33,199
well i mean

2580
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:36,080
i i agree with everything james has been

2581
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:38,960
saying um if you hear i hear a siren

2582
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:41,199
coming down the avenue and you know if

2583
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,639
somebody breaks down the door they

2584
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,920
finally found me

2585
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,480
but uh i'm just in downtown jersey city

2586
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,239
and folks are used to that but uh i i

2587
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:49,760
just really appreciate this conversation

2588
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,159
i think it's fantastic i think that you

2589
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,480
know when it comes down to it

2590
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,320
you know there's often this con the

2591
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:59,199
conversation comes down to like

2592
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,480
not here

2593
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,320
but the kind of dumbed-down conversation

2594
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,400
that we find online sometimes this is

2595
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,400
what one thing can we do

2596
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:09,120
or what one thing should we be doing

2597
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:10,480
and i think

2598
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:13,679
the fact that even just within this this

2599
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:16,239
stream yard room and from the folks that

2600
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:17,679
i see in the chat

2601
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,560
um that are over there like nathan and

2602
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:23,199
and paranormal blip and tupacabra and so

2603
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,120
many other wonderful people that have

2604
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:27,120
their own approaches you know

2605
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:28,320
we

2606
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,360
than depending on one particular world

2607
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:37,440
government and we can still

2608
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,920
keep our eye on that and we can still

2609
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,159
hope for the best in terms of that stuff

2610
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,800
and you know keep pushing towards that

2611
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:46,880
while still having

2612
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:49,120
plenty of plan b's plenty of contingency

2613
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:51,600
plans plenty of grassroots initiatives

2614
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,400
and that that can also you know that

2615
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:56,239
that can be our own

2616
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,480
form of growth personal growth

2617
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,199
community growth you know and that and

2618
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,199
that pushing the ball forward that way

2619
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:05,760
it helps us take ownership for ourselves

2620
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,120
and it helps us

2621
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:09,600
get outside of the the

2622
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,800
the

2623
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,480
kind of victim

2624
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,360
mentality almost of needing for

2625
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:17,120
authority validation

2626
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:19,040
now there are people that are holding on

2627
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,920
to a lot of secrets and at the same time

2628
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,000
we can still find out a lot ourselves as

2629
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,440
well and

2630
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,840
um you know along those lines i would

2631
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:29,760
also like to know um

2632
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,960
if the menu whisperer of texas

2633
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:34,719
uh has any has

2634
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:38,239
any closing words um from uh flavortown

2635
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,520
central over there okay

2636
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:43,679
at times i can't always talk about this

2637
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:45,920
you know ryan said it earlier why you

2638
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:48,560
always write uh blogs about this or i

2639
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,080
would even say why i always make youtube

2640
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,080
videos about it when we just want the

2641
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,239
proof you want the smoking gun right

2642
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,840
um so sometimes i want to talk about

2643
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:58,159
just other stuff be stupid on social

2644
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,080
media instead of always time like ufos i

2645
01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:02,480
want to watch a basketball game but um

2646
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:04,159
you know i do focus on the disclosure

2647
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:06,080
side of things i'm not qualified to

2648
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:09,440
speak on ce5 or being an experiencer

2649
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:10,320
um

2650
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:12,239
but so i always stick to disclosure and

2651
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:15,360
i'm going to continue to do that but uh

2652
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,120
i would say that one thing to keep in

2653
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:20,080
mind um we all debate and share our

2654
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,159
thoughts on social media the people that

2655
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,560
we look up to don't always do that

2656
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,480
and because they're more private they do

2657
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:28,080
it amongst themselves on email chains

2658
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:30,080
instead of on social media for a million

2659
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,440
people to see

2660
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:33,040
not everyone is on the same page that we

2661
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:35,120
look up to if they were gary nolan

2662
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,639
wouldn't have left to the stars academy

2663
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:38,800
before it barely even started and then

2664
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:41,120
years later lou and chris wouldn't

2665
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:43,360
have left either um

2666
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:45,040
they're adapting with the information

2667
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:46,400
that they get at the time and they're

2668
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:48,159
doing the best they can i think that's

2669
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:49,760
what we're seeing kind of in real time

2670
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,679
with a lot of these government programs

2671
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:53,280
is that people are doing their best to

2672
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,480
make the

2673
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:56,560
the congressional wording and the

2674
01:32:00,149 --> 01:31:59,040
government stuff work correctly and then

2675
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,159
they were kind of rolling with the

2676
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:02,239
punches and adapting and when they

2677
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:04,000
realized that something doesn't work or

2678
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:05,520
when we have a hearing when there's two

2679
01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:07,600
guys up there just lying at the hearing

2680
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,440
showing the crappy video

2681
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:11,440
then they then they're adapting and

2682
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,719
trying to put more words into the

2683
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:14,800
congressional stuff and whispering in

2684
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,639
the ears of these congressional

2685
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:18,560
congressmen and women

2686
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,800
to do the right thing so i think it's it

2687
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:23,199
is a process and it's just people right

2688
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:24,080
um

2689
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:25,760
these guys that we hold on pedestals

2690
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:28,000
like lou and everybody they're people

2691
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:29,679
and and they're gonna make mistakes and

2692
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,760
they're doing their best um and i think

2693
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:33,199
that's something we could all agree on

2694
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:35,199
um and that's what i think is what we're

2695
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:37,280
seeing i'm super optimistic it's so

2696
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,360
amazing to see uh

2697
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,520
this wording and and the wording just

2698
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:43,679
gets more serious and more like

2699
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:46,239
fine-tuned as we're going every year and

2700
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:48,239
it's really really exciting at the same

2701
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:49,760
time you know

2702
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:52,480
is it those same guys uh that were lying

2703
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:54,960
at the hearing um that's what i'm afraid

2704
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:56,800
of you know and i think that's what

2705
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:58,639
jay's afraid of when he says we

2706
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:00,560
shouldn't be you know

2707
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:03,760
uh looking at the government as much now

2708
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:05,360
i've always said just a rebuttal to that

2709
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:07,280
is we're not looking for the government

2710
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,480
we don't need the government we already

2711
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,000
believe the rest of the world is what

2712
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:11,840
needs a government unfortunately it

2713
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,920
sucks we wish we could they could we

2714
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,840
want them to be on the same page as us

2715
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:17,280
and it seems like the only way to get

2716
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:18,880
them to do it is to have these

2717
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:20,080
figureheads tell them because they're

2718
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:22,400
not going to believe us unfortunately

2719
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:23,840
or maybe they'll be mass cited or

2720
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,840
something like that um but that's just

2721
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:27,600
where i'm at you know i i started this

2722
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,000
whole conversation that way and uh i'm

2723
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,320
just i'm super optimistic and happy and

2724
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:34,560
we've come so far from five years

2725
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,000
seeing um spoiler alert seeing the navy

2726
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,560
videos get mentioned in the noke movie i

2727
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,400
think in in the note movies like the

2728
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:44,159
biggest movie of the summer whether you

2729
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:46,320
liked it or not i'm kind of wishy-washy

2730
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:48,080
on the movie itself

2731
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,920
but uh the navy videos were mentioned in

2732
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:51,760
that movie man it was amazing like it's

2733
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,520
pop culture it's huge

2734
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,520
i was telling lou that like that like

2735
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:57,600
it's it's part of history like they

2736
01:34:02,149 --> 01:33:59,679
can't take that away now

2737
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:02,159
and um so we're there and it's amazing i

2738
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:03,920
just want all this government stuff to

2739
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:05,920
work out these programs that they keep

2740
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:08,159
talking about and pledging money towards

2741
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:09,199
um

2742
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,360
and uh i think there's still a lot to be

2743
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:13,360
figured out on the government end so

2744
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:15,360
it's always optimistic but it's always

2745
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:17,679
like a war and it's always work to be

2746
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,560
done

2747
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:20,480
and uh we just have to wait and see and

2748
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:23,679
um i'm also with ufo jesus here show us

2749
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:25,360
the damn uh

2750
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:27,679
the smoking gun stuff man and it does

2751
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:29,120
get it does get

2752
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:31,280
tedious to keep talking about this or

2753
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:33,840
when we get a tease about a video and

2754
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:35,280
you know i think the teases sometimes

2755
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,800
are put out because they're trying to

2756
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:38,800
motivate people and if they tease a

2757
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:40,639
video that it exists like lou's saying a

2758
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:42,560
video exists that's amazing and then we

2759
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,480
don't get to see it that's to rile us up

2760
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:46,800
and get us mad and to demand that our

2761
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:49,199
government show us and i think it works

2762
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,880
in a way hopefully we'll get to see it

2763
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:52,480
but it's also really frustrating on our

2764
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:55,280
end but um i am very optimistic and

2765
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,560
hopeful and thankful of where we've come

2766
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:00,880
all this time at the same time i know

2767
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:03,679
things aren't perfect and um

2768
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:05,840
and it's just people and they don't they

2769
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:08,159
debate things just like we debate so i

2770
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:09,280
think we're gonna keep it moving we're

2771
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:11,199
gonna nobody's going anywhere

2772
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:12,719
even if i'm tweeting about basketball or

2773
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:15,280
food i still got ufos in my mind but i

2774
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,119
just needed a break for that day

2775
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:18,880
but and i'm gonna be me no matter what

2776
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:21,280
too so i i gotta be me i don't have a

2777
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,600
strictly uf ufo content i'm gonna say

2778
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:25,360
stupid stuff and joke around and stuff

2779
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,560
but um

2780
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:28,400
i don't know i'm just i'm happy of where

2781
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,920
we're at and uh thank you for having me

2782
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:31,119
on the chat and it's great to talk to

2783
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:32,400
you guys

2784
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:34,000
nah thank you so much we really do

2785
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,920
appreciate you and i appreciate all of

2786
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,440
you for joining me today it's been a

2787
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,679
fantastic conversation uh before we

2788
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:40,960
leave i just want to say thank you to

2789
01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:43,119
the chat for great conversations keeping

2790
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,520
it nice and cordial good to see so many

2791
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:47,520
faces in there a quick shout out to

2792
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:50,719
mcewan alicia davey jonathan yorkshire

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01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:51,920
great christian and sean for the

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01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:54,480
donations i really do appreciate any

2795
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,239
support that you give financially to

2796
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:57,840
this channel on this show it really does

2797
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,199
go a long way and

2798
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,360
i appreciate it um for everybody

2799
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,840
watching now or after the fact uh you

2800
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,679
can follow all of these guys social

2801
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:08,080
medias and websites and blogs just go to

2802
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,679
the description below and you'll find

2803
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,600
all the information you need

2804
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:13,520
um once again gentlemen thank you so

2805
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,199
much i'd love the opportunity to do this

2806
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,360
again in the future uh but for now

2807
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:19,760
everyone take care and i will see you